Another river decision.

[SuuPRlim]

so you wanna fold, getting 6-1 when we lose to hardly anything?

I wanna raise/fold here purely because of how ridiculously under-repped our hand is, and how un-believably narrow her range that beats us is + how consistent her line is with a lot of worse hands, like me personally the way she plays the hand looks a LOT more like KQ and KJ then AK or 44 but you know her way better than me so happy to accept otherwise. She's played the hand very weak though...If you're right about her that her range up tp her river bet is very strong and she is likely to fold some worse hand then calling seems like the play to me.

Folding looks completely out of the question with what is unquestionably the top of our range getting a great price.

Are you saying you wouldn't bet the turn vs her in this spot? I think checking the turn is more of a mistake than just calling the river personally (I think, could easily be persuaded otherwise)

[Sulphur man]

Certainly not folding no. Happy its only £25 on the river which screams value to me
rather than a blocker bet from this player feels like the turn is trappy in this instance.

I'm pretty certain if its me and you arriving at this river and the pot is a similar size
you wouldn't bet like this think you would be willing to jam which would be sick as i can give you a far wider
range. Tina's range is not even polarized here though. OP does mention he is losing and possibly
looking tilted which also makes things a little more difficult as his image is also shot. Still can't ignore
the fact villian opened to £6 utg.

Do like the idea of raise folding river. What bet sizing do you use though?

Really interesting hand.

[Sulphur man]

Have no problem with checking behind the turn here either. Really dint want to be in a massive pot
with TP/GK. In these games there so meny weak players going broke with bad hands.
Tina is not one of those players though.

[SuuPRlim]

we're not playing a big pot, we're going to make a single bet, and fold if she raises? It just looks to me like we have the best hand a very, very high% of the time (she 4bet AK sometimes preflop, doesnt open A4, checks the flop with 44 some and doesn't always check the turn once she'd bet with either of those hands) the line of donk flop and chk turn is much much more consistent with weaker hands, than those 3 hands we lose to.

I just don't see the points personally but I respect the fact you know this player much better than me and are very likely correct, i'm just not totally convinced about the turn or the river.

In these games there so meny weak players going broke with bad hands.
Tina is not one of those players though.

We don't have a bad hand though! we have, effectively the 3rd nuts on every street given she cant have A4/KK/AA according to yoru preflop reads (which seem right to me)


I'm not offering her any disrespect by saying she can't have a better hand than us very often in this hand, I'm just analyzing the hand!

[Donk23]

leading on an A K high flop then checking turn and betting very small on river displays a thinnish value hand at best and no bluffs, you know her UTG opening range far better than most, would she open A8- AJ in that spot? because thats exactly what it looks like.

also flatting AQ OTF under reps our hand somewhat through dry later streets

[muckthenuts]

From the sounds of it AQs should be a flat pre.

[shipitonetime]

From the sounds of it AQs should be a flat pre.

+1

[tight4better]

From the sounds of it AQs should be a flat pre.

Why on earth am I not squeezing pre with this? I'm in position facing standard open and super weak player who covers me just calls. I want more money in the pot.

OP What range do you put Tina(Ainsworth?) on opening UTG to £6.
Personally think its a really nutted range with very few (near zero)
bluffs/weak holdings.

Would agree 100% with this, I don't think it's a spot for a fold pre though? Thought 3bet/folding was the best line pre vs her. AJo+ 88+ on her range pre for me, honestly I hated her leading, I feel like I have a super good read on tina, especially live tells and bet sizing. It's hard to actually convey this into a PHA post though before it becomes tl;dr and I don't get any feedback regarding the hand.

[shipitonetime]

Because you have turned a hand that plays great ip, and keeps villains range wider, into a bluff essentially. Villain as described wont continue with worse and you say is generally v tight anyway. I see a lot more reasons to just call in this spot than to 3bet no? Do you not see this by how it played out with you being afraid of her obv strong range that 3 betting in this spot is not the best option?

[shipitonetime]

Not saying there arent a tonne of good spots to 3 bet AQs against many looser villlains for value tho obv. Just this one seems shitty.

[shipitonetime]

Fml why am i still awake commenting on pha theads.

[tight4better]

Because you have turned a hand that plays great ip, and keeps villains range wider, into a bluff essentially. Villain as described wont continue with worse and you say is generally v tight anyway. I see a lot more reasons to just call in this spot than to 3bet no? Do you not see this by how it played out with you being afraid of her obv strong range that 3 betting in this spot is not the best option?

What about the gigantic whale sitting with £500 who doesn't know what the word fold means? I hate to use this term because tbh it's OOL for someone of my skill level to say it.

In an ideal world, she folds, he calls. I got the opposite but then we flop AK4 and I'm feeling better, THEN she leads, now I hate life.

[shipitonetime]

Because you have turned a hand that plays great ip, and keeps villains range wider, into a bluff essentially. Villain as described wont continue with worse and you say is generally v tight anyway. I see a lot more reasons to just call in this spot than to 3bet no? Do you not see this by how it played out with you being afraid of her obv strong range that 3 betting in this spot is not the best option?

What about the gigantic whale sitting with £500 who doesn't know what the word fold means? I hate to use this term because tbh it's OOL for someone of my skill level to say it.

In an ideal world, she folds, he calls. I got the opposite but then we flop AK4 and I'm feeling better, THEN she leads, now I hate life.

Ok fair enough. If other player was super bad and you wanted to iso him then thats a good reason to do it. But he found the fold button in this hand? lol

[tight4better]

Ok fair enough. If other player was super bad and you wanted to iso him then thats a good reason to do it. But he found the fold button in this hand? lol

Yeah fml

[Sulphur man]

From the sounds of it AQs should be a flat pre.

Why on earth am I not squeezing pre with this? I'm in position facing standard open and super weak player who covers me just calls. I want more money in the pot.

OP What range do you put Tina(Ainsworth?) on opening UTG to £6.
Personally think its a really nutted range with very few (near zero)
bluffs/weak holdings.

Would agree 100% with this, I don't think it's a spot for a fold pre though? Thought 3bet/folding was the best line pre vs her. AJo+ 88+ on her range pre for me, honestly I hated her leading, I feel like I have a super good read on tina, especially live tells and bet sizing. It's hard to actually convey this into a PHA post though before it becomes tl;dr and I don't get any feedback regarding the hand.

Fully agree in this instance. Such a non standard hand though due to Villain. Still think the hand is intriguing. What was the outcome?.