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[shipitonetime]

Thoughts on my flop 4bet? Flatting the 3 bet better? And Turn decision please tytyty.

Villain is 22/18 reg. Not much history.
 
Table 'Aenna' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($980.52 in chips)
Seat 2: diepokeraxt ($159.24 in chips)
Seat 3: sgk31 ($1005.30 in chips)
Seat 4: badgers_uk ($332.38 in chips)
Seat 5: mojocska ($200 in chips)
Seat 6: hairyflybber ($932.80 in chips)
diepokeraxt: posts small blind $1
sgk31: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [ ]
badgers_uk: folds
mojocska: folds
hairyflybber: raises $3 to $5
Hero: calls $5
diepokeraxt: folds
sgk31: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
hairyflybber: bets $10
Hero: raises $22 to $32
hairyflybber: raises $46 to $78
Hero: raises $140 to $218
hairyflybber: calls $140
*** TURN *** [ ] 
hairyflybber: bets $288
Hero: ??

[Mondeoman]

Fold the turn - think he has a flush almost always here.
Prob just flat the 3 bet on the flop to keep all his bluffs/weakish hands in and under rep our hand.  We have position so there's no danger of the turn getting checked through.

[Bully87]

All that flop action makes it hard to me for him to have a flush that he wants to lead and 3bet unless it's a monster like  /  /  xs which is pretty grim for you obviously.

Probably do what Keith says, flat the 3b to keep the stuff we crush in.

I really don't know what I'd do now this deep but I hateeeeee folding sets.

[Patonius2000]

Raising bigger otf this deep (42), flatting the 3b always. Fold now.

[SuuPRlim]

pretty hard for anyone to be bluffing here (you or him)

[shipitonetime]

Fold the turn - think he has a flush almost always here.
Prob just flat the 3 bet on the flop to keep all his bluffs/weakish hands in and under rep our hand.  We have position so there's no danger of the turn getting checked through.

Yeh on reflection i agree that flatting the 3bet is better for the reasons said. I think in game i wasnt sure on best action so deep and thought it was better to raise because we had so much money behind. 

[shipitonetime]

Raising bigger otf this deep (42), flatting the 3b always. Fold now.

Yeh def agree i raised too small on flop. cheers

[shipitonetime]

pretty hard for anyone to be bluffing here (you or him)

I think my hand is pretty face up at this point. Villain is pretty unlikely to get ool in this spot and he most likely has Qxss given his line.  Obv doesnt do this with worse for value but would be a pretty sick bluff spot with something like  KsQx. Dont really expect him to be capable of this tho. Plus probs calls with a hand like that rather than 3 bet flop nearly all the time.

[shipitonetime]

If i were to just call the flop 3b, are we just sigh calling turn and brick rivers?

[Rod]

Stakes are way too big for me to comment usefully but is there any argument to folding pre here given the stack sizes and the possibility of this type of situations coming up. Don't we have issues with reverse implied odds?

I only play much smaller stakes but have found that making sets with smaller pairs when really deep can get very confusing.

[Bully87]

Stakes are way too big for me to comment usefully but is there any argument to folding pre here given the stack sizes and the possibility of this type of situations coming up. Don't we have issues with reverse implied odds?

I only play much smaller stakes but have found that making sets with smaller pairs when really deep can get very confusing.

We want to flop a set, and a lot of the time, perhaps more at lower stakes you will stack someone. So calling with pp's vs one open and in multiway pots is fine. 3b pots is just burning money however.

[Rod]

Stakes are way too big for me to comment usefully but is there any argument to folding pre here given the stack sizes and the possibility of this type of situations coming up. Don't we have issues with reverse implied odds?

I only play much smaller stakes but have found that making sets with smaller pairs when really deep can get very confusing.

We want to flop a set, and a lot of the time, perhaps more at lower stakes you will stack someone. So calling with pp's vs one open and in multiway pots is fine. 3b pots is just burning money however.

Because you can get an under set I assume? I think I was having trouble in 3-bet pots thinking about it so just started open folding little pairs.

So in this spot on that flop we are happy to get it allin with a set of fours? Would this be the same with a set of threes? What if the flop is more dry?

[Bully87]

Stakes are way too big for me to comment usefully but is there any argument to folding pre here given the stack sizes and the possibility of this type of situations coming up. Don't we have issues with reverse implied odds?

I only play much smaller stakes but have found that making sets with smaller pairs when really deep can get very confusing.

We want to flop a set, and a lot of the time, perhaps more at lower stakes you will stack someone. So calling with pp's vs one open and in multiway pots is fine. 3b pots is just burning money however.

Because you can get an under set I assume? I think I was having trouble in 3-bet pots thinking about it so just started open folding little pairs.

So in this spot on that flop we are happy to get it allin with a set of fours? Would this be the same with a set of threes? What if the flop is more dry?

Thats possible, but really its because your only gonna flop a set in theory 1/8 times (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
You dont have the odds to call in 3b pots with small pp's and the range of hands your up against should be are crushing you.

I wouldn't be happy to get it in on this specific hand but majority of hands and dryer boards yes.

[pleno1]

thoughts on folding pre?

agree with calling flop 3bet.

As played, I don't think he has a flush, but can have QQ still for sure, very ugly spot, folding can't be bad.

[Mondeoman]

thoughts on folding pre?

agree with calling flop 3bet.

As played, I don't think he has a flush, but can have QQ still for sure, very ugly spot, folding can't be bad.

How hasn't he got a flush here?  He's called a big bet out of position on the flop.  He either has a made hand or a big draw, then when the main draw hits the turn he wants to donk lead big into a seemingly nutted hand.
The only hands he can be bluffing with are 56 or some sort of ks hand and i doubt he has these very often at all.