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« on: January 07, 2013, 12:05:23 AM » |
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Just come back for day 2 of the DTD deepstack. There's been a seat redraw so no reads on anybody whatsoever.
3rd hand of the day, blinds at 2500/5000 + 500. I've got 84k
I pick up 99 utg. Elect to make it 10k and get a call from the button and big blind.
Flop is 977 so I'm loving life.
Thinking about the hand afterwards though should I have just shipped? Other than that flop I can't think of many I would've liked and I'd always expect to be put under pressure from the bigger stacks post flop.
What other hands are we shipping with this stack? What hands should we be raising?
Seemed like a really awkward spot to me and very easy to get wrong.
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2013, 12:23:23 AM » |
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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2013, 12:27:32 AM » |
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Think betting must be better than shoving. You want to give people an opportunity to screw up by shoving to make you fold or calling with bad 2 pairs.
Checking is probably fine too.
UL
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Most of the bets placed so far seem more like hopeful punts rather than value spots
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EvilPie
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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2013, 12:28:31 AM » |
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Fair enough I'll cough up. Really think I may have made a mistake though. It's a really marginal spot I think, you don't want to shove and lose value but also you don't want to flop any over cards if there's multiple callers. Really didn't know what to do at the time. A slightly bigger stack and it's a raise, slightly smaller and it's a shove. Interested to know what people think. |
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2013, 12:29:26 AM » |
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Think betting must be better than shoving. You want to give people an opportunity to screw up by shoving to make you fold or calling with bad 2 pairs.
Checking is probably fine too.
UL
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2013, 12:29:44 AM » |
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I am pretty sure Matt is talking about shoving pre.
I like shoving pre as well, with all my marginal stuff and opening the top of my range. Assuming the table isn't capable/know to exploit me.
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2013, 12:32:08 AM » |
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jam 55+ AJ+ KQ and min AA-QQ imo.
Might min some more stuff in lp but not ep (obv)
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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2013, 12:33:02 AM » |
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I am pretty sure Matt is talking about shoving pre.
I like shoving pre as well, with all my marginal stuff and opening the top of my range. Assuming the table isn't capable/know to exploit me.
How wide do you go with the marginal stuff off 17 bigs utg? I was thinking I should've shoved this as well as probably 88 up to JJ. Also shove AK and AQ maybe KQs. Raise the 3 big ones. Fold everything else. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2013, 02:04:41 AM » |
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just open
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2013, 04:51:34 AM » |
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jam 88-JJ + AQ min QQ+ AK, fold everything else
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@MtSpewmore I wouldn't normally try so hard, but didn't have another opportunity I could wait for. I wasn't ready to surrender what I WANTED SO MUCH, that easily, I couldn't guarantee a call with me staying stoic and relying on a flinch "top pair" calling reflex.
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2013, 08:49:33 AM » |
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Too much to shove I think, should be raising more from UTG.. Nice flop, horrid turn,
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2013, 10:45:56 AM » |
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i don't think shoving 10-20bb UTG is at bad all when there are a few bigger stacks on the table,
it sets up a nice spewy/aggro image,
& if i've done it once or twice i like to think that i'd still ship that same stack w aces
yesterday though many of the tables were full of sub-average 20bb stacks & i think when that's the case you shouldn't view 15-20bb as an auto-shove stack (something i'm guilty of),
there is still a lot of room to manoeuvre & yes sometimes you'll have to make some eye-watering stack2pot ratio folds but 10bb is still very comebackable from as a shoving stack*
*some rungood skills req'd
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2013, 11:11:16 AM » |
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jam 88-JJ + AQ min QQ+ AK, fold everything else
Sure you've told me its too big to open ship 17bbs utg..?? Thought U said minr till 15? I woulda said just open Evil, also need to out more work into dodging quads next time! |
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2013, 06:22:11 PM » |
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jam 88-JJ + AQ min QQ+ AK, fold everything else
Sure you've told me its too big to open ship 17bbs utg..?? Thought U said minr till 15? I woulda said just open Evil, also need to out more work into dodging quads next time! Online r/c but its live and people peel too much with no clue of stacksize considerations and we have 99 that flops horribly. Ripping it is hugely profitable here imo. |
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@MtSpewmore I wouldn't normally try so hard, but didn't have another opportunity I could wait for. I wasn't ready to surrender what I WANTED SO MUCH, that easily, I couldn't guarantee a call with me staying stoic and relying on a flinch "top pair" calling reflex.
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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2013, 07:09:32 PM » |
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jam 88-JJ + AQ min QQ+ AK, fold everything else
Sure you've told me its too big to open ship 17bbs utg..?? Thought U said minr till 15? I woulda said just open Evil, also need to out more work into dodging quads next time! Online r/c but its live and people peel too much with no clue of stacksize considerations and we have 99 that flops horribly. Ripping it is hugely profitable here imo. +1. Also means we can min from like 15bb in lp with certain players in the blinds who will 3bet only for value and extremely tight, but also peel a lot and try to flop really well to "outplay" the young guy. |
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