Etiquette question

[JK]

Throw cards into muck like a speargun, even the greatest dealers with reactions like a fighter pilot can't stop you. Then leave and smile at him like the massive douche he is.

Try me

[I KNOW IT]

Unless it is in the house rules, requests to see the opponents cards is solely at the TD's discretion and only granted to protect the integrity of the game.

Technically, this was an All in situation so both hands should have been flipped.

These are TDA rules but im not sure which set of rules are used in Luton.

[T8MML]

You called so why do you have to show??

I know sometimes they say you have to thus avoiding collusion but unless your name is Pol Pot, Adolf Hitler etc it's unlikely you would want share a cup of tea with such a prik never mind collude.

Got to be honest I saw a lot of this going on in a monkey comp at Genting Luton over Xmas - something in the water there?

[tight4better]

Throw cards into muck like a speargun, even the greatest dealers with reactions like a fighter pilot can't stop you. Then leave and smile at him like the massive douche he is.

Try me

[rfgqqabc]

Tear the cards up and eat them imo

[cambridgealex]

In many card rooms the rules say that he has the right to see your cards. Obviously though, just because he has the right... it does not make it right.

This has been discussed many times. The purpose of this silly rule is to protect against potential collusion/chip dumping and such things (it is a silly rule because it does not work to do this, and creates a myriad of problems/bad feeling). Some players deliberately abuse the spirit of the rule because they want to gain information or perhaps because they want to needle an opponent. Either way, it is of course bad etiquette and classless behaviour. And obviously it is bad for the game in terms of creating a good atmosphere and nurturing the long-term health of poker etc.

You might think that how you react to this should depend on whether you believe your opponent knows he is wrong but is doing it anyway, or whether you think he just doesn't know better because noone has pointed it out to him yet. However, in reality you should react the same way regardless. What you should do is this:

Immediately table your cards. Do so with a smile on your face, without saying a word (other than perhaps "Sure, no problem"), and without displaying even the slightest hint of annoyance. Not even a subtly raised eyebrow or sigh, and certainly not any comment that would betray your digruntlement.

This is the most powerful way to deal with someone who is acting maliciously or through deliberate lack of etiquette. You refuse to even acknowledge the attack that he has made on you. It is the strongest possible reaction you can have in response to his actions. And it will be noticed by everyone at the table, including the villain.

And if the player genuinely does not know that what he has done is 'wrong' then why would you ever want to make him feel uncomfortable by making a comment, sighing, or whatever? He does not know better so it is not his fault until he is told otherwise.

You may often choose to speak to the player about this later on. Perhaps at the next break, but always at least five minutes after the incident has taken place. It is good for the long-term health of poker if players are helped to understand why such actions are bad. And they will often be receptive to your advice if you explain it in the right way: calmly, politely and with class. Those who do not listen or argue with you (or just don't care) are lost causes anyway, so just leave them be. Often someone will do this job for you at the table anyway, and say something to the villain about their actions. If this happens then you should keep out of it completely and not say a word. But listen to what is said, and if you think you can add anything to help villain understand then do so at a later time.

(I just realised you busted from the tournament on this hand, and what I have written above applies more if you are still at the table)

Great post. So so hard to do irl I find though.

[WotRTheChances]

Throw the 4 into the muck and the K right between his eyes imo. Then claim you had KK.

[MANTIS01]

This hand has knocked you out so my advice is to get your coat and stuff together and leave the table. Things relevant to the game like cards and chips I would just leave where they are. I wouldn't say anything to the guy wanting to see cards. I wouldn't over analyse the situation or spend any time thinking about motives and behaviour. None of it matters on account that you are out.

[bobAlike]

This hand has knocked you out so my advice is to get your coat and stuff together and leave the table. Things relevant to the game like cards and chips I would just leave where they are. I wouldn't say anything to the guy wanting to see cards. I wouldn't over analyse the situation or spend any time thinking about motives and behaviour. None of it matters on account that you are out.

Apart from when you meet him at the table again??

[JustinSayne]

I just want to see that the game is played well and in a friendly manner. When people do this kind of thing is causes tension.

By all means I was pissed off but I did my best to remain composed. I said something along the lines of "do you really have to mate? It is rubbing it in a bit" and flipped my hand instantly once he insisted and got up and left.

I imagine a year or so ago I would have just told him to go fuck himself and thrown a big fit. But someone once mentioned on here that you can tell a lot about a players ability/mindset by how they cope in situations like this or how they react to bad beats. Thus I want to act accordingly

[cambridgealex]

But someone once mentioned on here that you can tell a lot about a players ability/mindset by how they cope in situations like this or how they react to bad beats. Thus I want to act accordingly

Very true

[rfgqqabc]

I imagine a year or so ago I would have just told him to go fuck himself and thrown a big fit. But someone once mentioned on here that you can tell a lot about a players ability/mindset by how they cope in situations like this or how they react to bad beats. Thus I want to act accordingly

Instead of acting like you have that mindset surely it is better to just try and achieve it!

[pleno1]

Well you should show becuSs you could be chip dumping.

But in reAlily fuck him and eat the cards.

Oh fold pre. !

[jgcblack]

Well you should show becuSs you could be chip dumping.

But in reAlily fuck him and eat the cards.

Oh fold pre. !

can't tell you how long ive been waiting for that to come up....

[aaron1867]

He has a right to see your hand, why is it bad etiquette to try and educate themselves?