Match Fixing Scandal

[pleno1]

Oh dear.

CL match in UK was "fixed"

Has to be Chelsea v Barca?

[redarmi]

Literally a million to one to be that game.

[kinboshi]

Mourinho will say it's the Liverpool v Chelsea 1-0 game

[pleno1]

Literally a million to one to be that game.

Laying?

[redarmi]

Not sure I believe there was a game fixed but if there was then it is almost certainly not the British team involved (ie the other team threw the game) unless we are talking very early stages and a Welsh or Irish team.

[redarmi]

Literally a million to one to be that game.

Laying?

If you can take a payment plan.....;-)

[pleno1]

Not sure I believe there was a game fixed but if there was then it is almost certainly not the British team involved (ie the other team threw the game) unless we are talking very early stages and a Welsh or Irish team.

it says 3-4 years ago, a champs league fixture in the uk no?

link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21319807

[redarmi]

Just read reports and a little confusing as some say England and others say UK but looking at the figures mentioned (they talk of E8m in profits across all of the games there is just not enough money involved to make it worth fixing a CL game in England.  There are rumours in Asia literally every week about games somewhere being fixed and generally it is just rumour.  For sure some leagues are more susceptible than others but generally speaking the British teams are a bit cleaner than other leagues and I can only think of three games in the past ten years in the UK that I am convinced were fixed and none involved games in the Prem with the Championship being the highest league (and incidentally the one I am most convinced was fixed).

[adnmdv]

It doesn't necessarily have to be paying off Arsenal say, they'd just have to pay off a foreign team from a league which is less cash-rich (Eastern Europe essentially) to throw the game or let in a few extra goals.

[bobby1]

Just read reports and a little confusing as some say England and others say UK but looking at the figures mentioned (they talk of E8m in profits across all of the games there is just not enough money involved to make it worth fixing a CL game in England.  There are rumours in Asia literally every week about games somewhere being fixed and generally it is just rumour.  For sure some leagues are more susceptible than others but generally speaking the British teams are a bit cleaner than other leagues and I can only think of three games in the past ten years in the UK that I am convinced were fixed and none involved games in the Prem with the Championship being the highest league (and incidentally the one I am most convinced was fixed).

As a Sheff Utd fan it seems fair to bring in the Prem game between Everton v Wimbledon from the year we got relegated, 1994. Not sure how the Segers and Fash crew got away with that one. The goal that Segers actually dived for and then moved his hand away was ridic.

Didn't this game feature heavily in a court case re fixing at a later date?

[redarmi]

Yeah agreed but you really think it could be done for, say £200k, which is what they are intimating is the maximum amount won on an individual game.  This is the general problem with allegations of match fixing across sports.  The general press and, often, prosecutors and judges are so uneducated about gambling that they see some spots of evidence but are completely unaware about the actual logistics of what it would take to put something like this together and make actually make a profit from it.  The cricket spot fixing scandal was a great case in point.  It is literally impossible to bet on a specific ball being a no ball in India or anywhere else and if it is possible then the max bet you would ever get on it would be about £200 so there is nobody running around paying cricketers bribes of £10k+ to bowl a no ball.....well except for fake reporters that is.  Is there more subtle fixing going on?  Absolutely and there are huge markets for other things that bowlers, for example, can subtly fix but the whole spot fixing idea was just absolute BS.  It created a whole stir about a problem that was effectively manufactured by a newspaper reporter and, in the meantime, diverted attention and resources away from the real villains simply because what they do is and was much more complicated and difficult to understand.

Similarly with football it makes good headlines to talk about a CL game in England having been fixed but in reality it is fairly unlikely, certainly in the group stages or later because it would cost £100's of thousands to do and to get bets on to win those kinds of sums invariably creates a big paper trail.  Meanwhile most days there are very, very minor games where you could get £10-15k on easily in Asia and they are played in front of 100 people.  Today the asian books are betting on 2 prem u21 games, a Colombian game and a handful of games in a Dutch u21 league.  Not to mention a glamour tie in the egyptian premier league.  If you were fixing a game which one would you choose?  even i probably have the bankroll to make fixing an egyptian prem league game +EV!

[redarmi]

Just read reports and a little confusing as some say England and others say UK but looking at the figures mentioned (they talk of E8m in profits across all of the games there is just not enough money involved to make it worth fixing a CL game in England.  There are rumours in Asia literally every week about games somewhere being fixed and generally it is just rumour.  For sure some leagues are more susceptible than others but generally speaking the British teams are a bit cleaner than other leagues and I can only think of three games in the past ten years in the UK that I am convinced were fixed and none involved games in the Prem with the Championship being the highest league (and incidentally the one I am most convinced was fixed).

As a Sheff Utd fan it seems fair to bring in the Prem game between Everton v Wimbledon from the year we got relegated, 1994. Not sure how the Segers and Fash crew got away with that one. The goal that Segers actually dived for and then moved his hand away was ridic.

Didn't this game feature heavily in a court case re fixing at a later date?

Yeah tha was kinda why i said ten years because there is no doubt there were a few that got away in the mid to late nineties.  The floodlight failure game in 97 at, I think West Ham, was another that springs to mind

[bobby1]

Yeah agreed but you really think it could be done for, say £200k, which is what they are intimating is the maximum amount won on an individual game.  This is the general problem with allegations of match fixing across sports.  The general press and, often, prosecutors and judges are so uneducated about gambling that they see some spots of evidence but are completely unaware about the actual logistics of what it would take to put something like this together and make actually make a profit from it.  The cricket spot fixing scandal was a great case in point.  It is literally impossible to bet on a specific ball being a no ball in India or anywhere else and if it is possible then the max bet you would ever get on it would be about £200 so there is nobody running around paying cricketers bribes of £10k+ to bowl a no ball.....well except for fake reporters that is.  Is there more subtle fixing going on?  Absolutely and there are huge markets for other things that bowlers, for example, can subtly fix but the whole spot fixing idea was just absolute BS.  It created a whole stir about a problem that was effectively manufactured by a newspaper reporter and, in the meantime, diverted attention and resources away from the real villains simply because what they do is and was much more complicated and difficult to understand.

Similarly with football it makes good headlines to talk about a CL game in England having been fixed but in reality it is fairly unlikely, certainly in the group stages or later because it would cost £100's of thousands to do and to get bets on to win those kinds of sums invariably creates a big paper trail.  Meanwhile most days there are very, very minor games where you could get £10-15k on easily in Asia and they are played in front of 100 people.  Today the asian books are betting on 2 prem u21 games, a Colombian game and a handful of games in a Dutch u21 league.  Not to mention a glamour tie in the egyptian premier league.  If you were fixing a game which one would you choose?  even i probably have the bankroll to make fixing an egyptian prem league game +EV!

I just agree with all that, I read that report today and what it seems to say is that a group of people that are suspected of match fixing have bet on xxx amount of games turning over xx amount and one of those games is a Champs lge game in the UK. I would love to take evens that some of those bets are just str8 genuine bets and the ones that are bent are the low profile ones as you suggested.

[bobby1]

Just read reports and a little confusing as some say England and others say UK but looking at the figures mentioned (they talk of E8m in profits across all of the games there is just not enough money involved to make it worth fixing a CL game in England.  There are rumours in Asia literally every week about games somewhere being fixed and generally it is just rumour.  For sure some leagues are more susceptible than others but generally speaking the British teams are a bit cleaner than other leagues and I can only think of three games in the past ten years in the UK that I am convinced were fixed and none involved games in the Prem with the Championship being the highest league (and incidentally the one I am most convinced was fixed).

As a Sheff Utd fan it seems fair to bring in the Prem game between Everton v Wimbledon from the year we got relegated, 1994. Not sure how the Segers and Fash crew got away with that one. The goal that Segers actually dived for and then moved his hand away was ridic.

Didn't this game feature heavily in a court case re fixing at a later date?

Yeah tha was kinda why i said ten years because there is no doubt there were a few that got away in the mid to late nineties.  The floodlight failure game in 97 at, I think West Ham, was another that springs to mind

I traded in running one of the game at Selhurst park, I think it was a Wimbledon game that was 1-0 at but my memory is bad these days.

When the lights went out in the Superbowl I sent 1 text and received 2 texts from mates I haven't spoken to for ages along the lines of

' Asian syndicates have turned the lights off again' 

[tikay]

Pretty sad really.

It used to be that when rumours like this surfaced, everyone would first ask "where is the evidence?", now, a bit of mud gets thrown & a lot of people immediately believe it.

It may be true, but without some credible evidence, I ain't a buyer.