are my plans flawed

[Ironside]

 both of us have 2x average stack and i am lying in 3rd spot we are in the money with 105 players left
when checked too me on flop i plan to call a shove or 3 bet shove the reraise

is my plan wrong

PokerStars Hand #93620298711: Tournament #706010423, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2013/02/06 21:35:30 WET [2013/02/06 16:35:30 ET]
Table '706010423 51' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: soulanan3 (131147 in chips)
Seat 2: Kepalas89 (40480 in chips)
Seat 3: ouchbadbeat (60371 in chips)
Seat 4: DPHG (77796 in chips)
Seat 5: ivica5261 (75334 in chips)
Seat 6: shanrock999 (14312 in chips)
Seat 7: G.GERMANO (89095 in chips)
Seat 8: pAAddy (35388 in chips)
Seat 9: Ironside (97543 in chips)
soulanan3: posts the ante 150
Kepalas89: posts the ante 150
ouchbadbeat: posts the ante 150
DPHG: posts the ante 150
ivica5261: posts the ante 150
shanrock999: posts the ante 150
G.GERMANO: posts the ante 150
pAAddy: posts the ante 150
Ironside: posts the ante 150
DPHG: posts small blind 800
ivica5261: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ Ah]
shanrock999: folds
G.GERMANO: raises 1776 to 3376
pAAddy: folds
Ironside: raises 7824 to 11200
soulanan3: folds
Kepalas89: folds
ouchbadbeat: folds
DPHG: folds
ivica5261: folds
G.GERMANO: calls 7824
*** FLOP *** [  ]
G.GERMANO: checks
Ironside: bets 16000
G.GERMANO: raises 21412 to 37412

[SubZERO]

you only got dealt one card, and no flop. fix HH?

I do think your 3bet is too big regardless though

[Ironside]

strange

i just copy and pasted it

i will request a hand history for the hand

[JK]

you only got dealt one card, and no flop. fix HH?

I do think your 3bet is too big regardless though

Yeah, something like 7145

[Ironside]

PokerStars Hand #93620298711: Tournament #706010423, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2013/02/06 21:35:30 WET [2013/02/06 16:35:30 ET]
Table '706010423 51' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: soulanan3 (131147 in chips)
Seat 2: Kepalas89 (40480 in chips)
Seat 3: ouchbadbeat (60371 in chips)
Seat 4: DPHG (77796 in chips)
Seat 5: ivica5261 (75334 in chips)
Seat 6: shanrock999 (14312 in chips)
Seat 7: G.GERMANO (89095 in chips)
Seat 8: pAAddy (35388 in chips)
Seat 9: Ironside (97543 in chips)
soulanan3: posts the ante 150
Kepalas89: posts the ante 150
ouchbadbeat: posts the ante 150
DPHG: posts the ante 150
ivica5261: posts the ante 150
shanrock999: posts the ante 150
G.GERMANO: posts the ante 150
pAAddy: posts the ante 150
Ironside: posts the ante 150
DPHG: posts small blind 800
ivica5261: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [ Ah]
shanrock999: folds
G.GERMANO: raises 1776 to 3376
pAAddy: folds
Ironside: raises 7824 to 11200
soulanan3: folds
Kepalas89: folds
ouchbadbeat: folds
DPHG: folds
ivica5261: folds
G.GERMANO: calls 7824
*** FLOP *** [ ]
G.GERMANO: checks
Ironside: bets 16000
G.GERMANO: raises 21412 to 37412
Ironside: raises 48781 to 86193 and is all-in
G.GERMANO: calls 40333 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (8448) returned to Ironside



really want to know if i am right to get my chips in here should i be checking back on flop

what hands i can get too fold apart from bluffs

[Ironside]

I do think your 3bet is too big regardless though

yeah your totally right there should of been too 9500

was just hoping not too get in all in preflop with a top 10 stack in a race situation or at worse against AA or KK and i have trouble folding AK especially when in the money and trying to slowly build a stack to put me in a good spot too win

[JK]

This spot is really icky, and mainly stems from the oversized bets. As I said earlier, pre is way way way too big. We have position and a very good hand, we WANT the villain to call. Sometimes we dont even mind a raise imo, but thats dependent on their stats etc.

Also, your flop sizing is too big. Betting 2/3 pot when checked to here basically puts us in a horrid spot where we have to get it in. If this is your plan then fair enough, but by betting so much we're just gonna freeze out all the bluffs he might want to take off with, but also make him fold worse over/flush draw combos.

We have decent equity vs his value range though (ie he can never really have KK/AA so we have at least 2 overs + gutshot + flush draw vs all his pairs), so dont mind bet/shove that much really.

[pleno1]

flop: pokerstove vs his get in range.

pre flop: 3bet is wayyyy too big, 8200-8800

[Ironside]

Cheers guys I was just checking put him on qq with qc thought I had repped to big for any other hand to call me and was 57% against that he actually had smaller over pair so I was still 57% I didn't get there and blew chance of a good score

Notes on the pre over bet taken

[Ironside]

Still thinking about the hand only other hand that make sense that I would be in bad shape against is ackx I don't think a made flush as I think I fold out aq pre

[PutYouOnAK/AQ]

Other than the 3bet being too large I think you played this hand fine.  If he has a small pair then you certainly dont fold out aq or probably aj so vs bare a-clubs we are in good shape as well.  FWIW don't be results orientated, Villain has played this hand horrifically!

[Ironside]

Other than the 3bet being too large I think you played this hand fine.  If he has a small pair then you certainly dont fold out aq or probably aj so vs bare a-clubs we are in good shape as well.  FWIW don't be results orientated, Villain has played this hand horrifically!

cheers trying not to be results orientated was just wondering if i could of gotten away from the hand with having 2x tourny average would i of found better spots
but as you can see i got lumped on a big stack table in these std raises dont get through you have sit and wait for hands or be prepared to play alot of flops