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outragous76
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Re: Easy shove or wait for better spot?
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February 09, 2013, 11:53:58 AM »
Quote from: bobAlike on February 09, 2013, 11:26:23 AM
For all those who say fold, is this purely a numbers decision or just because there's no point in taking flips at this stage of the game.
The range I put him on was 78s+. I know this was wide but as table chip leader surely anyone worth their salt should boss the shorter stacks.
You can't pin him as tight then say you believe he is huge 3balling 78+, that's just none sense.
I am happy for Karl to say otherwise, but Im sure the mindset is more like, "well one of them is calling ", and he isn't thinking this holding 78!
If that's really your perceived range then quite clearly it's a fist pump jam, but I think you might get a surprise when you do
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Re: Easy shove or wait for better spot?
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February 09, 2013, 11:56:31 AM »
Being a reload tournament can things quite a lot.
With the range you've given the tall fella and a reload + the potential dead money in the pot it's an easy shove.
We have card removal for the 2 hands that smash us and we can always hit a flush if we need to.
I don't love it but I can see the justification.
I'd still be folding though. Just don't like getting 100 bigs in with AK without very good reads. If you're happy with your reads then I guess you have to go for it.
Be prepared for him calling with any half decent pair though because with his stack and a reload he's not folding 1010.
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Re: Easy shove or wait for better spot?
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February 09, 2013, 12:00:40 PM »
Quote from: outragous76 on February 09, 2013, 11:53:58 AM
Quote from: bobAlike on February 09, 2013, 11:26:23 AM
For all those who say fold, is this purely a numbers decision or just because there's no point in taking flips at this stage of the game.
The range I put him on was 78s+. I know this was wide but as table chip leader surely anyone worth their salt should boss the shorter stacks.
You can't pin him as tight then say you believe he is huge 3balling 78+, that's just none sense.
I am happy for Karl to say otherwise, but Im sure the mindset is more like, "well one of them is calling ", and he isn't thinking this holding 78!
If that's really your perceived range then quite clearly it's a fist pump jam, but I think you might get a surprise when you do
I understand what you're saying Guy and maybe my range view of him was wide but I just couldn't narrow it as much as say JJ+
Not that it makes much difference but I mean 78s plus pairs 77+.
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What kind of fuckery is this?
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February 09, 2013, 12:53:05 PM »
If a good pro is trading off TAG I wouldn't figure his range is super tight when getting aggro in squeeze spots at fishy table. Makes sense to me to give good TAG wider range.
Think he can fold 1010 small % as villain 4 has overcalled behind.
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Re: Easy shove or wait for better spot?
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February 13, 2013, 01:42:01 PM »
this just isnt even close.
fold.
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February 13, 2013, 01:44:59 PM »
Quote from: TL900 on February 13, 2013, 01:42:01 PM
this just isnt even close.
fold.
careful we keep agreeing ;0)
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February 13, 2013, 04:08:18 PM »
Happy to get it in mate pretty sure Karl, or anyone else in the hand, never plays KK+ this way. You have another bullet.
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February 13, 2013, 04:17:55 PM »
After this hand 3 things happened, 2 bad 1 good.
Firstly I did shove straight into Karls KK (this was purley read driven and got plainly levelled by Karl). KK held -BAD
Secondly I re-enter straight onto a great table with a number of good players and manged to chip up to 50k within an hour of play - GOOD
Table broke and got moved to the most tilty table I have ever sat at in my entire poker life of 27 years. Went absolutley card dead for 3 levels, everybody took 5 minutes to make a decision whether to call, fold or raise. - BAD
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Re: Easy shove or wait for better spot?
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February 13, 2013, 04:19:48 PM »
Quote from: smashedagain on February 13, 2013, 04:08:18 PM
Happy to get it in mate pretty sure Karl, or anyone else in the hand, never plays KK+ this way. You have another bullet.
Quote from: bobAlike on February 13, 2013, 04:17:55 PM
After this hand 3 things happened, 2 bad 1 good.
Firstly I did shove straight into Karls KK (this was purley read driven and got plainly levelled by Karl). KK held -BAD
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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Quote from: pleno1 on February 13, 2013, 04:19:48 PM
Quote from: smashedagain on February 13, 2013, 04:08:18 PM
Happy to get it in mate pretty sure Karl, or anyone else in the hand, never plays KK+ this way. You have another bullet.
Quote from: bobAlike on February 13, 2013, 04:17:55 PM
After this hand 3 things happened, 2 bad 1 good.
Firstly I did shove straight into Karls KK (this was purley read driven and got plainly levelled by Karl). KK held -BAD
lol. Yeah I do look dumb Patrick
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Re: Easy shove or wait for better spot?
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February 13, 2013, 05:14:08 PM »
Thanks Guy for linking me here
This was my re-entry. On day 1a I busted at 150/300 when 1 player opened 600, 2 callers and I squeezed to 4,000 (must be my fave number) and the big blind over called with Q8cc and busted me on 9 high 2 club flop
Villain 3 here was one of the weakest players you could wish for and was calling most bets (for some reason especially mine). He was the main reason to squeeze so big here (as is proved when he cold calls). Also Andrew has played quite solidly and is likely to have a decent hand here. The more my play looks like a squeeze the harder he will find it to fold. If Villian 3 calls in between us and adds 4k to the pot even better
Nice to put a face to your alias on here Andrew, hope to see you at the next one
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February 13, 2013, 05:22:01 PM »
Nice to meet you to Karl.
You read me right and although this did cross my mind the option of re-entry kind of swayed my decision.
As much as I'd like to go to Newcastle I think Sheffield and Stoke may be the ones I play next.
I actually re-entered on your good ladies table. Crikey she's relentless and clipped my wings twice in my first 2 hands lol.
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February 13, 2013, 05:33:03 PM »
Relentless you say? Did you re-enter at the blackjack table or the bar?
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Re: Easy shove or wait for better spot?
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February 13, 2013, 08:57:39 PM »
Quote from: Dry em on February 13, 2013, 05:14:08 PM
Cliffs: lollivepro
Quote from: corkeye on February 09, 2013, 09:23:38 AM
Struggling to think of any pro ever that would make it 4k who's solid and plays for a living.
Its 2013 but we arent on stars.
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Re: Easy shove or wait for better spot?
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February 13, 2013, 10:13:58 PM »
Regardless off the result in this case, I can't see why we'd ever wish to gamble shove/raise with AK in this spot, given minimal invested and a 100BB's behind us. AK is the scourge of many players early in tourneys as it's so often overplayed. The massive raise size by a 'solid pro' seems more suspicious, an attempt to get paid big by calling stations. I'd also be highly concerned by the smooth call of £4k behind. Protect your 100BBs and pick better spots.
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