Sunday Mil BvB interesting spot

[rfgqqabc]

http://weaktight.com/5500134
So far guy had been pretty tight, not done much of note, something like 23/12/2.5% 3b over a tiny sample, around 45 hands guessing from the blind levels.

Thoughts on sizing on all streets?

In game it felt like his turn/river size left him repping slightly different ranges. His river bet seems a bit big for something that is essentially looking to get a call from a weaker Ax hand (a3/a4). With his turn size I could even have a flush. It seemed a little big for his value range vs my 1pair hands, so i can only assume he wants a fold. I found myself hovering between the call/fold buttons with my time bank decreasing. These hands are really hard to review after the fact, his turn timing was pretty quick as was river, both these factors help polarise him more imo but still unsure about turn call/river.

[youthnkzR]

I don't think this looks much like a bluff personally. Interested to see what others think. Guessing you folded? Would be cool to see the results.

[outragous76]

why we getting involved in a silly potfirst few levels of the million?

[George2Loose]

Think checking turn is best for loads of reasons. Pot control, don't think u get too much value from worse, might get heroed on the river if it goes c/c also can induce bluffs on turn.

As played this you should fold turn and Deffo fold river.

[rfgqqabc]

Think checking turn is best for loads of reasons. Pot control, don't think u get too much value from worse, might get heroed on the river if it goes c/c also can induce bluffs on turn.

As played this you should fold turn and Deffo fold river.

Even with gutter and ?

Checking the turn seems like a solid line, but aren't we extremely showdown heavy when we do that? Rarely inducing bluffs/stabs from pairs etc. Shouldn't he just bomb turn/bomb river when we check the turn to him? I guess this is protected by checking Ax hands?

 GTO wise it has to be a mixture right? This is obv not necessary in Mil though.

[SuuPRlim]

I think you should go min 400 pre-flop but then people might disagree with me, i just hate opening small bvb.

I'd fold to the turn raise, terrible visibility and play-ability on rivers our hand does if he's deciding this might be a good spot to be bluffing then good luck to him.

[pleno1]

Fold pre although everybody will disagree. If we do open then 2.6-8x > 2.0-2.3

[cambridgealex]

why we getting involved in a silly potfirst few levels of the million?

What would you do different Guy?

[action man]

play same and fold river. Sometimes this early i just fold pre

[rfgqqabc]

Fold pre although everybody will disagree. If we do open then 2.6-8x > 2.0-2.3

Haha, correct about disagreeing with pre. Spoke with some people about it and I still feel we can profitably open to 2.5 and bet like 95% of flops to 2.5bb and show a profit vs this opp. I'd be surprised to see him defend widely enough pre/otf for this not to be true. I think folding pre before antes should definitely be a consideration if we know the player is in fact good, whereas this guy had a unsure but not playing 33/6 over 45 hands tag on him. Agree pre is a touch small, pretty stylistic though.

[outragous76]

why we getting involved in a silly potfirst few levels of the million?

What would you do different Guy?

see Pleno and Triggs comments - if i happen to have raised my line would be much more passive all the way

[cambridgealex]

why we getting involved in a silly potfirst few levels of the million?

What would you do different Guy?

see Pleno and Triggs comments - if i happen to have raised my line would be much more passive all the way

Trigg said he'd play it the same.

[Keylek]

Fold pre although everybody will disagree. If we do open then 2.6-8x > 2.0-2.3

Haha, correct about disagreeing with pre. Spoke with some people about it

hihi

My thoughts on pre are pretty much fold if the opponent is good pre ante and raise if he is not good. So hard to pot control oop with hands like this that even if it is +Cev (Which im not sure it is) it probably isn't a good spot against a good opponent. As played I don't think I check the turn - my reasons are that it looks like we have a showdown hand that we're going to c/c c/c (ie like we have exactly what we do have) that I don't expect to get bluffed too often, I feel like we do have to lead the turn to get any bluffs from his range. I think call the turn and soulread the river is the play, unless he is ginger in which case I just fold as soulreading riv would be impossible.

[outragous76]

why we getting involved in a silly potfirst few levels of the million?

What would you do different Guy?

see Pleno and Triggs comments - if i happen to have raised my line would be much more passive all the way

Trigg said he'd play it the same.

Meant the fold pre bit

[rfgqqabc]

why we getting involved in a silly potfirst few levels of the million?

What would you do different Guy?

see Pleno and Triggs comments - if i happen to have raised my line would be much more passive all the way

Trigg said he'd play it the same.

Meant the fold pre bit

Say that! I posted then deleted a sarcastic comment to your first post. I really thought opening a6o here would be beyond standard.

I had a quick dabble to get my own raising range in this spot.
22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q5s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,86s+,75s+,65s,A2o+,K9o+,Q9o+,J9o+,T8o+,97o+,87o 42.7%
44+,A2s+,K2s+,Q4s+,J6s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,A2o+,K6o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T8o+ 43% would be top 43% purely in preflop equity.

Is this too loose? How accurate would the second one be after antes vs a similar opponent? Presuming mil structure.

Starting to think now I'd fold a6o in big 55 if it folded around @ 20/40 so maybe I don't always open it here, certainly would in the mil with a similar amount of tables yday (peaked at 8 but 5ish through mil and spent a lot of time 2 tabling. Agree? Can completely understand folding if your near max capacity, ie I do think its only a slightly +ev open.