How to get free stuff

[Woodsey]

Don't get me started on those wankers who travel to Asia ruining the place with their love of cheap hookers, ladyboys and full english breakfasts.  Stop all immigration I say.

Post of the Century. Wonder if Woodsey gets his Daily Mail delivered out there

I don't read any newspapers mate.

Its normal to have different opinions on this matter I don't see the problem to be honest. I just think when the country is totally skint, we should be looking after Brits first and foremost, what's wrong with that?

Nothing at all. But to address the problem of the country being totally skint is something that should be done too.

You have a few bad apples that slip threw the net, come over to the UK and abuse the system, which really annoys the whole tax paying community, but immigration on a whole usually helps strengthen economies (I'll leave out why because we're talking about tax abuse by immigrants) so these immigrants that are adding to our economy should be entitled to the same benefits that UK born individuals have.

And by the way, just for clarity whilst that original thing was about Poles, I broaden this to ALL people who take the piss out of our SS system, including lazy arse Brits. That really annoys me when I see what I'm paying in tax each month.

I have no problem with those in genuine need, but many aren't.

If it's clarity your after, it's probably best if you don't post a bigoted video with " hmmmmm " as your only comment and then sit back and wait for the fireworks.

When pressed you said "Boot the fkers out" but received  little support, you seem to have modified (or clarified) that view a little.

I'm sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick.

Well Yes Tom, I was deliberately being a provocateur with my OP, nothing wrong with that, a bit of lively debate is all good.

My views are my views and I don't really care what people think or if I get little support or not, that's life we don't always have to agree on the same stuff.

You might provoke a lively debate among the more enlightened souls such as yourself, but among the lowest  common denominator, stuff like that will also provoke and encourage racial hatred, and discrimination.

It leads to people seeing themselves as superior and others as inferior.

It leads to misery.

It leads to violence.

It leads to genocide.

Take a look at what happen to the Native Americans, the Aborigines, the Shiks, the Jews....

Take a look at what is happening now to minority groups across Europe.

Entitled to your opinion? Yes. Of course you are. But don't kid yourself about the consequences or underestimate the power of propaganda.

You're taking the example to the extreme now Tom. This is what I really hate about this whole thing. Why can't I or others express their opinions on immigration without being called a racist? That is just nonsense, they should be allowed to express that view without such labels because it is one of the top political issues. Do you honestly think it is healthy to have a political debate/issue with only one side of the argument being allowed to be presented? My opinion whilst different to yours is extremely common. It just suits some peoples agenda to be able to label someone a name if they disagree with them, that is wrong.

In any case I think I've make it clear its people taking the piss out of our SS system that I have a real problem with, not immigration per se, controlled immigration is fine as far as I'm concerned. The abuse of the SS system is caused by a number of things including the economy, lazy chavs and yes immigration is part of that too amongst other things.

[RED-DOG]

Don't get me started on those wankers who travel to Asia ruining the place with their love of cheap hookers, ladyboys and full english breakfasts.  Stop all immigration I say.

Post of the Century. Wonder if Woodsey gets his Daily Mail delivered out there

I don't read any newspapers mate.

Its normal to have different opinions on this matter I don't see the problem to be honest. I just think when the country is totally skint, we should be looking after Brits first and foremost, what's wrong with that?

Nothing at all. But to address the problem of the country being totally skint is something that should be done too.

You have a few bad apples that slip threw the net, come over to the UK and abuse the system, which really annoys the whole tax paying community, but immigration on a whole usually helps strengthen economies (I'll leave out why because we're talking about tax abuse by immigrants) so these immigrants that are adding to our economy should be entitled to the same benefits that UK born individuals have.

And by the way, just for clarity whilst that original thing was about Poles, I broaden this to ALL people who take the piss out of our SS system, including lazy arse Brits. That really annoys me when I see what I'm paying in tax each month.

I have no problem with those in genuine need, but many aren't.

If it's clarity your after, it's probably best if you don't post a bigoted video with " hmmmmm " as your only comment and then sit back and wait for the fireworks.

When pressed you said "Boot the fkers out" but received  little support, you seem to have modified (or clarified) that view a little.

I'm sorry if I got the wrong end of the stick.

Well Yes Tom, I was deliberately being a provocateur with my OP, nothing wrong with that, a bit of lively debate is all good.

My views are my views and I don't really care what people think or if I get little support or not, that's life we don't always have to agree on the same stuff.

You might provoke a lively debate among the more enlightened souls such as yourself, but among the lowest  common denominator, stuff like that will also provoke and encourage racial hatred, and discrimination.

It leads to people seeing themselves as superior and others as inferior.

It leads to misery.

It leads to violence.

It leads to genocide.

Take a look at what happen to the Native Americans, the Aborigines, the Shiks, the Jews....

Take a look at what is happening now to minority groups across Europe.

Entitled to your opinion? Yes. Of course you are. But don't kid yourself about the consequences or underestimate the power of propaganda.

You're taking the example to the extreme now Tom. This is what I really hate about this whole thing. Why can't I or others express their opinions on immigration without being called a racist? That is just nonsense, they should be allowed to express that view without such labels because it is one of the top political issues. Do you honestly think it is healthy to have a political debate/issue with only one side of the argument being allowed to be presented? My opinion whilst different to yours is extremely common. It just suits some peoples agenda to be able to label someone a name if they disagree with them, that is wrong.

In any case I think I've make it clear its people taking the piss out of our SS system that I have a real problem with, not immigration per se, controlled immigration is fine as far as I'm concerned. The abuse of the SS system is caused by a number of things including the economy, lazy chavs and yes immigration is part of that too amongst other things.

I have no issues with you stating your opinion, but you didn't state your opinion, you just posted an overtly bigoted and racist video instead.

The video portrays people as self assured, confident scroungers who's only motive is to "Rape" the benefit system.

I meet with BME groups every day and the truth is, the vast majority are frightened strangers in a strange land, they don't understand the customs and they don't speak the language. They have made an incredibly difficult decision to leave their homeland so that their families might have some of the basic human rights and opportunities that we regard as a birthright. God forbid that we should ever find ourselves in that position.

If you want a fair debate, don't start it by posting something that will make their lives even more difficult than it already is.

[Acidmouse]

You posted an extreme example of how to cheat the system, expect extreme examples and opinions back you cant have it both ways.

[Woodsey]

Fair enough, I did post it do encourage a little lively debate knowing it would ruffle a few feathers, happy to admit that.

However whilst the guy is ragging on the Poles pretty hard, I really don't like the idea of any site that shows people how they can get as much out of the system as they can, and yes it is the system that is at fault, not the people. However, If they can't get a job they should go back home, Why should our taxpayers money support people who have never contributed? We are a soft touch, we wouldn't get anything like that support if we went to most other countries.

[kinboshi]

Who is we?

[Woodsey]

Who is we?

You're late 

[Acidmouse]

I know it might sound a little off, but frankly I don't care who comes here, I have my own world to think of, wasted negative energy on injustices of the world will only lead to anger. I work hard and if others don't that's not my problem, if people come here looking for a free ride let them do it, not my problem.

Why does it bother you so much?  I thought you were living across the globe?

[Woodsey]

I know it might sound a little off, but frankly I don't care who comes here, I have my own world to think of, wasted negative energy on injustices of the world will only lead to anger. I work hard and if others don't that's not my problem, if people come here looking for a free ride let them do it, not my problem.

Why does it bother you so much? You seem to harp on about this subject so much? I thought you were living across the globe?

I live in Nottingham boss, just travel as much as I can that's all.

[RED-DOG]

Fair enough, I did post it do encourage a little lively debate knowing it would ruffle a few feathers, happy to admit that.

However whilst the guy is ragging on the Poles pretty hard, I really don't like the idea of any site that shows people how they can get as much out of the system as they can, and yes it is the system that is at fault, not the people. However, If they can't get a job they should go back home, Why should our taxpayers money support people who have never contributed? We are a soft touch, we wouldn't get anything like that support if we went to most other countries.

However whilst the guy is ragging on the Poles pretty hard, I really don't like the idea of any site that shows people how they can get as much out of the system as they can

If you really don't like it, why help distribute it by posting it on a public forum?

I say again, please don't include me in your concept of "Them and us".

Try saying "I" and "Me" instead of "Our" and "We".

[kinboshi]

Who is we?

You're late 

You didn't answer the question.

[Woodsey]

Anyone who agrees with my opinion. Feel free to exclude yourself like Tom has done.

[kinboshi]

Anyone who agrees with my opinion. Feel free to exclude yourself like Tom has done.

Fair enough, I did post it do encourage a little lively debate knowing it would ruffle a few feathers, happy to admit that.

However whilst the guy is ragging on the Poles pretty hard, I really don't like the idea of any site that shows people how they can get as much out of the system as they can, and yes it is the system that is at fault, not the people. However, If they can't get a job they should go back home, Why should our taxpayers money support people who have never contributed? We are a soft touch, we wouldn't get anything like that support if we went to most other countries.

So that we is just people who agree with you?

[Woodsey]

I've already answered you Dan.

[kinboshi]

I've already answered you Dan.

I was just clarifying, as you seemed to be making that comment on behalf of all UK tax-payers - rather than just UK tax-payers who also agree with you.

Good debate though

[Woodsey]

I've already answered you Dan.

I was just clarifying, as you seemed to be making that comment on behalf of all UK tax-payers - rather than just UK tax-payers who also agree with you.

Good debate though

Thanks, I knew you'd be along