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[Woodsey]

I wish some of you guys would stop instantly associating wanting tighter immigration laws to help reduce part of the cost of SS with being far right wing, that is really not the case at all. It's perfectly possible to want tighter immigration laws and be centre or centre right in politics.

I would say my views as clarified in the second half of this thread are relatively mainstream, I realise more liberal minded people don't like that fact but its the truth.

[RED-DOG]

I wish some of you guys would stop instantly associating wanting tighter immigration laws to help reduce part of the cost of SS with being far right wing, that is really not the case at all. It's perfectly possible to want tighter immigration laws and be centre or centre right in politics.

I would say my views as clarified in the second half of this thread are relatively mainstream, I realise more liberal minded people don't like that fact but its the truth.

I didn't object to your clarified views. I objected to you posting a bigoted racist video with the deliberate intention of sparking a heated debate.

I also objected to your suggestion that "We" should "Boot the fekers out"

I have no objection at all to open and honest debate.

[George2Loose]

Hmmmmmm.....

[Woodsey]

I wish some of you guys would stop instantly associating wanting tighter immigration laws to help reduce part of the cost of SS with being far right wing, that is really not the case at all. It's perfectly possible to want tighter immigration laws and be centre or centre right in politics.

I would say my views as clarified in the second half of this thread are relatively mainstream, I realise more liberal minded people don't like that fact but its the truth.

I didn't object to your clarified views. I objected to you posting a bigoted racist video with the deliberate intention of sparking a heated debate.

I also objected to your suggestion that "We" should "Boot the fekers out"

I have no objection at all to open and honest debate.

Fine lets carry on with the debate as it is currently and put my initial wind up posts to one side for the moment

[MANTIS01]

I wish some of you guys would stop instantly associating wanting tighter immigration laws to help reduce part of the cost of SS with being far right wing, that is really not the case at all. It's perfectly possible to want tighter immigration laws and be centre or centre right in politics.

I would say my views as clarified in the second half of this thread are relatively mainstream, I realise more liberal minded people don't like that fact but its the truth.

What people forget having this debate is when we talk about what's good for the UK population we aren't talking about what is exclusively good for white people who were born in Britain. There's about 10 million of our population who were foreign born and now only about 40% of residents in London describe themselves as white British. We are one of the most culturally diverse nations in the world. So when we talk about what's good for the UK population we are including an array of nationalities and ethnic backgrounds. We are also one of the most crowded nations in the world so having this debate seems more than reasonable to me. It's in the interests of all our residents nomatter where they originated from.

[RED-DOG]

I wish some of you guys would stop instantly associating wanting tighter immigration laws to help reduce part of the cost of SS with being far right wing, that is really not the case at all. It's perfectly possible to want tighter immigration laws and be centre or centre right in politics.

I would say my views as clarified in the second half of this thread are relatively mainstream, I realise more liberal minded people don't like that fact but its the truth.

I didn't object to your clarified views. I objected to you posting a bigoted racist video with the deliberate intention of sparking a heated debate.

I also objected to your suggestion that "We" should "Boot the fekers out"

I have no objection at all to open and honest debate.

Fine lets carry on with the debate as it is currently and put my initial wind up posts to one side for the moment

I'd rather discuss why you want to wind people up. Especially the racists and bigots.

[RED-DOG]

I wish some of you guys would stop instantly associating wanting tighter immigration laws to help reduce part of the cost of SS with being far right wing, that is really not the case at all. It's perfectly possible to want tighter immigration laws and be centre or centre right in politics.

I would say my views as clarified in the second half of this thread are relatively mainstream, I realise more liberal minded people don't like that fact but its the truth.

What people forget having this debate is when we talk about what's good for the UK population we aren't talking about what is exclusively good for white people who were born in Britain. There's about 10 million of our population who were foreign born and now only about 40% of residents in London describe themselves as white British. We are one of the most culturally diverse nations in the world. So when we talk about what's good for the UK population we are including an array of nationalities and ethnic backgrounds. We are also one of the most crowded nations in the world so having this debate seems more than reasonable to me. It's in the interests of all our residents nomatter where they originated from.

If the thread had started like that it would have been great.

[smashedagain]

I wish some of you guys would stop instantly associating wanting tighter immigration laws to help reduce part of the cost of SS with being far right wing, that is really not the case at all. It's perfectly possible to want tighter immigration laws and be centre or centre right in politics.

I would say my views as clarified in the second half of this thread are relatively mainstream, I realise more liberal minded people don't like that fact but its the truth.

What people forget having this debate is when we talk about what's good for the UK population we aren't talking about what is exclusively good for white people who were born in Britain. There's about 10 million of our population who were foreign born and now only about 40% of residents in London describe themselves as white British. We are one of the most culturally diverse nations in the world. So when we talk about what's good for the UK population we are including an array of nationalities and ethnic backgrounds. We are also one of the most crowded nations in the world so having this debate seems more than reasonable to me. It's in the interests of all our residents nomatter where they originated from.

If the thread had started like that it would have been great.

hmmmm

[kinboshi]

[redarmi]

What people forget having this debate is when we talk about what's good for the UK population we aren't talking about what is exclusively good for white people who were born in Britain. There's about 10 million of our population who were foreign born and now only about 40% of residents in London describe themselves as white British. We are one of the most culturally diverse nations in the world. So when we talk about what's good for the UK population we are including an array of nationalities and ethnic backgrounds. We are also one of the most crowded nations in the world so having this debate seems more than reasonable to me. It's in the interests of all our residents nomatter where they originated from.

I am not sure you can have that discussion in a vacuum though.  You can't, for example, stop all immigration.  Asylum seekers, who get a lot of the worst press, are also amongst the most deserving and if we value our position as a world leader then taking in asylum seekers is a part of that process.  Then we have to have a discussion about whether we expect those that come to our country to take on our values and culture or whether we are quite happy to be multicultural and let elements of their culture seep into our own.  Nowadays in England we eat a lot of Indian and Chinese food, Notting Hill Carnival is enjoyed by all sections of society and most of us have learnt and been introduced to things from friends of other colours and nationalities.  Most of us now value these things but when they were first introduced to our society they were viewed with great hostility.  Maybe in a few years then elements of Polish and Romanian culture will be viewed with the same affection that we now view a chicken tikka massala and day out at carnival.  Incidentally I am pretty much an immigrant somewhere else and it can be really frightening.  For my first three months in Jamaica I barely went out and when I did it was with other white expats and I ate at burger king and Wendys.  Now I happily drive through the ghettos, go to local places and eat a lot of local seafood, jerk chicken, pork etc because I want to assimilate to a degree.  I was even spotted last week at a local club wining up ;-)  Learning about a new local culture is a great thing and we should look at ways that we can introduce immigrants to our culture and show how great it is.  maybe we can all learn something from each other.

[RED-DOG]

I love you Red.

[tikay]

Brilliant Post.

[Woodsey]

All very warm and fluffy stuff, but I for one would still prefer to lower our SS bill by tightening immigration and taking just those we need in amongst other measures. Its pure economics for me, nothing to do with dislike of other nationalities.

When's that vote on staying in the EU again?

[Acidmouse]

I find myself torn becasue for some reason i would prefer my kids to go to a catholic school where the kids are pretty much all the same, middle/upper class white kids. We moved house to get in the catchment area, we just didn't fancy the idea where they went to a school full of immigrants or minority groups.

I try and think does this make me racist or someone that feels more comfortable around people like me? or my children going through education with kids of simiar backgrounds?

It's weird as Leeds in the 70/80s was pretty much white only, when I popped to Uni it opened my closed views on different cultures and how we are all alike...yet I still want my kids in a certain type school, guess i will figure it out one day

[redarmi]

All very warm and fluffy stuff, but I for one would still prefer to lower our SS bill by tightening immigration and taking just those we need in amongst other measures. Its pure economics for me, nothing to do with dislike of other nationalities.

When's that vote on staying in the EU again?

You always talk about wanting a debate but you never actually seem to engage in the debate.  Presumably you agree with my view that you can't just eliminate all immigration (or would you send people back to countries where they face certain torture or death?) so how would you tighten up the current regulations?  Do you actually know what they are or is your view just a very generic "stop the foreigners coming in?"