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« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2013, 02:46:51 PM »

68s is in your defend range to a utg opener? Interesting as its a hand most people would 3 bet or fold pre I think
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« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2013, 02:48:15 PM »

68s is in your defend range to a utg opener? Interesting as its a hand most regs people would 3 bet or fold pre I think

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and thats why its terrible and Pleno is right
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« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2013, 05:20:59 PM »

yep, I'm a recreational player.
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« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2013, 05:34:33 PM »

yep, I'm a recreational player.

yeah obv Smiley

Seriously though why do you choose to defend such a hand OOP? My standard would be to just fold tbh in this spot pre
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« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2013, 05:38:09 PM »

68s is in your defend range to a utg opener? Interesting as its a hand most regs people would 3 bet or fold pre I think

fyp

and thats why its terrible and Pleno is right

this doen't mean anything

why what is terrible? 3b/f? And what is Pleno right about? I never said anything as wrong either just asked a question fwiw

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« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2013, 05:40:16 PM »

68s is in your defend range to a utg opener? Interesting as its a hand most regs people would 3 bet or fold pre I think

fyp

and thats why its terrible and Pleno is right

this doen't mean anything

why what is terrible? 3b/f? And what is Pleno right about? I never said anything as wrong either just asked a question fwiw



When table selectIng, I always go for reg filled tables, that's all. You can discuss the merits of how good regs are All you like, but I'd still sooner play them, and I'd never fold 86s vs a reg to a single open
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« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2013, 05:44:50 PM »

^^^ not trying to be smart or anything but I really don't understand what you mean

'when table select' isn't a sentence and doesn't really mean anything to me in the context of this thread
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« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2013, 05:51:44 PM »

^^^ not trying to be smart or anything but I really don't understand what you mean

'when table select' isn't a sentence and doesn't really mean anything to me in the context of this thread

Sorry, I Post like pleno from my phone. Obv supposed to be when I table select

The point being that regs are lovely to play against because they are so formulaic. So if you peel a wide range vs a reg, they can't play "their style" vs you. So how does a reg EVER get 3 streets with premiums vs you on a 5 7 9 "raggy" board, throw in a 2 flush on the turn and they are going to be in a tizz.

Full in the remainder of the blanks yourself
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« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2013, 06:43:11 PM »

The point being that regs are lovely to play against because they are so formulaic. So if you peel a wide range vs a reg, they can't play "their style" vs you. So how does a reg EVER get 3 streets with premiums vs you on a 5 7 9 "raggy" board, throw in a 2 flush on the turn and they are going to be in a tizz.

But what about when the flop is 842, and then they bet the turn and river too with a balanced range? Regs are not going to be in too much of a tizz if you defend really wide OOP. Yes you are slightly more likely to be nutted on certain board runs outs, but you also have loads of weak hands on exactly the same board run outs. If you can have 86 on 579 then you can also have a TON of other stuff that regs can either get thin value from or bluff out on later streets.

I hate all this 'regs are terrible' stuff (it mainly comes from Pleno). The truth is that most regs play poker pretty well.
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« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2013, 06:50:52 PM »

I mean unless you really beat regs for a better bb/100 there isn't a reason to game select poorly/hunt regs instead of fish. And if so wtf are you doing posting on blonde, go print the monies.

I think Plenos peel pre is fine as long as it has a frequency that isn't 100% and somewhere between 15-45% as a rough guess. Outrageous does have a good point, but its a bit strong here. You simply can't peel too wide here or our ranges are really weak. I find it hard to believe that a 400nl reg cannot dynamically adjust his double barrel percentages in order to react to our peeling. I mean he might not do it well or correctly, but as long as he isn't incredibly tight we can't be making a significant profit pulling things like this. But that isn't to say they don't have a place and are not underrated. I find it interesting Outrageous backs this play so highly and Callum basically said lol 2013 bro (w/e that means Tongue). Guess even the reg exploiters don't agree here.
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« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2013, 07:27:43 PM »

The point being that regs are lovely to play against because they are so formulaic. So if you peel a wide range vs a reg, they can't play "their style" vs you. So how does a reg EVER get 3 streets with premiums vs you on a 5 7 9 "raggy" board, throw in a 2 flush on the turn and they are going to be in a tizz.

But what about when the flop is 842, and then they bet the turn and river too with a balanced range? Regs are not going to be in too much of a tizz if you defend really wide OOP. Yes you are slightly more likely to be nutted on certain board runs outs, but you also have loads of weak hands on exactly the same board run outs. If you can have 86 on 579 then you can also have a TON of other stuff that regs can either get thin value from or bluff out on later streets.

I hate all this 'regs are terrible' stuff (it mainly comes from Pleno). The truth is that most regs play poker pretty well.

It doesnt come from Pleno as far as I am concerned - i have never spoken strat with Pads

Regs are very predictable with their betting and Id say within 30 mins of being at any reg filled table I can have them all on the edge of a cliff

As a very non specific example - i had a "good" reg call me off for a river over shove (100bbs) with A high (which he would simply never do vs regs), just because he hadnt been to a river where he was good (or paid to see whether he was).

Im not flicking it in with J2 - thats terrible - but when you widen your range to a point where they cant define it, and you play accordingly, there are alot of 5 card run outs where their ranges just cant stand the heat you can apply -- in or out of position (obv prefer to be in) -  it gets even more fun when you have doubeld thru and you are 200bbs deep!

I would welcome the opportunity for you to rail me next time I play a cash session (this is not a frequent event) and we can talk "reg perfect" vs GJ adjusted. Infact doing it where you cant see my cards would be incred, you can play villain and see how often you make the right decisions.

I sent a HH to a friend recently - I will try and dig it out - where I got myself into a pickle - (for a reason I wont go into on here), but It happens much less frequently to me than I can do it to them.




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« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2013, 07:35:09 PM »

people suggesting that its more profitable to play against a winning poker player than a losing poker player are truly off their heads lol.

If anyone needs me to prove why just ask Tongue
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« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2013, 07:36:19 PM »

I should point out that I dont play a gazzillion tables - this is really important
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« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2013, 07:57:02 PM »



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Regs are very predictable with their betting and Id say within 30 mins of being at any reg filled table I can have them all on the edge of a cliff

Any reg filled table! What limits?
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« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2013, 08:10:36 PM »

Regs are very predictable with their betting and Id say within 30 mins of being at any reg filled table I can have them all on the edge of a cliff

LOL Guy you are hilarious <3

Wait... you are being serious?

Just imagine what you'd do to the bad players if you really can 'wow them with your fast game' so well vs the regs!
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