Short Stack Ninja please advise....

[ruud]

£300 DTD Deepstack. I had a very similar spot to this in last months deepstack and was unsure then as well, so thought I would ask for hero advice on here

We have not been at the table long. We ran up a big stack on our opening table, feeling good throughout, outdrawing Kinboshi, abusing Herbie's big blind etc etc etc

Me and Kinboshi had about 40k for ages 

Got up to 75k, lost a couple of big ones,  and have ended up down at 24k at 800/1600/200

Moved to table Julian Gardner who has mountains of chips, as does Ali "Bag of Bollox". At least one of them is in EVERY hand.

We have been here about one and a half orbits

UTG+2 shoves for 10k, Julian folds, Ali flats the 10k, folds to me in the BB with 

We?

[youthnkzR]

fold

[smashedagain]

Abusing my BB was fine. Abusing my 3 bet sucked

[ruud]

Abusing my BB was fine. Abusing my 3 bet sucked

when your range is exclusively JJ-AA, then felt like the absolute db's

[StuartHopkin]

Defo fold once Ali flats

[smashedagain]

Abusing my BB was fine. Abusing my 3 bet sucked

when your range is exclusively JJ-AA, then felt like the absolute db's

pretty sure you called a bet on a king high flop and ace on the turn and whilst you were thinking about your bet sizing on the river my jacks were already face up in the muck
Its quite a live tell that if a player has his cards in the muck before your bet crosses the line, he knows you got there

[ruud]

Abusing my BB was fine. Abusing my 3 bet sucked

when your range is exclusively JJ-AA, then felt like the absolute db's

pretty sure you called a bet on a king high flop and ace on the turn and whilst you were thinking about your bet sizing on the river my jacks were already face up in the muck
Its quite a live tell that if a player has his cards in the muck before your bet crosses the line, he knows you got there

I actually had aces.......

but I could be lying 

[Oxford_HRV]

flipping against...

99-77,55,AJs-ATs,KJs+,AJo+,KQo - guesses of flat callers range? guessing he ISO TT+,AQs nearly 100%

33% each if......

UTG+2 has 22+,A2s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,A5o+,KTo+,QTo+

i think i'm probs not folding. we have a pair, and most likely both are looking to match with the community cards.

[Killerkilsby]

Personally id be folding with 15bb and a table where you can get called off lightly there will be better spots.

You are 100% flipping vs at least one of them, could be flipping vs caller but crushed by OR.

There are much better spots to come im sure of it, your stack is still going to damage the bigger stacks and you wont be called mega light. Id def be waiting for a better spot, if uncalled then this is a closer spot imo.

[Killerkilsby]

1010+ i struggle to fold here though.

[smashedagain]

Abusing my BB was fine. Abusing my 3 bet sucked

when your range is exclusively JJ-AA, then felt like the absolute db's

pretty sure you called a bet on a king high flop and ace on the turn and whilst you were thinking about your bet sizing on the river my jacks were already face up in the muck
Its quite a live tell that if a player has his cards in the muck before your bet crosses the line, he knows you got there

I actually had aces.......

but I could be lying 

ha ha gtfo....you 4 bet with AA..... i really loved the hand and would love to chat more about it.

bin the 66 man.

i can see why you dont have any Herbie flags tho

[ruud]

Abusing my BB was fine. Abusing my 3 bet sucked

when your range is exclusively JJ-AA, then felt like the absolute db's

pretty sure you called a bet on a king high flop and ace on the turn and whilst you were thinking about your bet sizing on the river my jacks were already face up in the muck
Its quite a live tell that if a player has his cards in the muck before your bet crosses the line, he knows you got there

I actually had aces.......

but I could be lying 

ha ha gtfo....you 4 bet with AA..... i really loved the hand and would love to chat more about it.

bin the 66 man.

i can see why you dont have any Herbie flags tho

Ouch.

But yes would like to discuss the hand more and the table in general....

Put it in the diary!

[smashedagain]

Lol I don't have a diary

[kinboshi]

You've got just under 9 effective-BBs here?  It's a pretty meh spot really, and think that the maths will be close between the shove and the fold, but think I'd rather fold and be the one 3-bet shoving or open-jamming instead when the opportunity arises.

You do have about 40K, so aren't that desperate

[smashedagain]

I wish you'd have hung onto your 40 bigs and stopped a bit longer. Had to play a hand were he on my big bling instead of the customary 1 bb I ended giving him 20 or so