Interesting spot in the 300 DS

[aaron1867]

I'm kind of down with all this abbreviation stuff, but I have no idea what some of these mean here!

can't gather thoughts here

[SuuPRlim]

ftw = for the win
SPR = stack to pot ratio, as in the ratio of your stack to the size of the pot, if the pot is 1000 and your stack is 2000 you have an "SPR" of 2.

[SuuPRlim]

In a way it's a similar spot to Langley's with the 77, "edge pass" I think is the phrase when a spot is profitable but future spots are going to be so much more so.

It's the difference between ChipEV and $EV. Lets spose you have a 100k stack and you make a move preflop with a ChipEV of +15k, if your $equity in the tournament was £1,000 I promise you increasing your stack by 15% will literally never make your $Equity  £1,150, it'll likely increase in very marginally. however if you have to risk your whole stack for it then the cost of the move going "pete tong" is £1,000 as you'll be out of the tournament.

So actually its a +EV spot theoretically but it's losing you actual money. Obviously due to metagame/gameflow/table draw or whatever you might every so often be obligated to take one of these spots but 30bb deep with 8high facing a 3bet from the blinds against your BTN open just seems like it can't ever be one of them, just like TL's 77 was nothing except a fold imo.

Obv in a cash game w/e do it take the £150 in equity and re-load if it goes tits up.

[TheFruitbat]

Thanks, much appreciated. How many BB's would we need for it to be acceptable to flat in this spot then?

Also, what would be our 3bet flatting range with our stack as it is, facing this action?

[cambridgealex]

Thanks, much appreciated. How many BB's would we need for it to be acceptable to flat in this spot then?

Also, what would be our 3bet flatting range with our stack as it is, facing this action?

45bbs+

Probs don't really have a peeling range 35bbs deep. I'm jamming stuff like 77 and KQo ATs etc. Probs only flatting with some premiums sometimes and hands like JTs and QJs that flop really well. Perhaps the occasional 99/TT flat.

Can't think of many hands that you can justify peeling with that it's not better to just pile 35bbs deep. Eg KQo and 77 and ATo - much better just jamming all these hands than defending and trying to play a pot with them.