$1/2 Irish 4card Full Tilt

[rfgqqabc]

Full Tilt Poker Game #32294865727: Table Angus Og (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Irish - 16:15:01 WET - 2013/03/12 [12:15:01 ET - 2013/03/12]
Seat 2: mendezoo ($372.75)
Seat 3: pokerbatt ($563.90)
Seat 4: GooGie MonA ($191)
Seat 5: rbkgutt ($172.40)
Seat 6: Demonic16 ($234.40)
rbkgutt posts the small blind of $1
Demonic16 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Demonic16 [ ]
mendezoo raises to $8
pokerbatt folds
Luj0_1989 sits down
Luj0_1989 adds $200
GooGie MonA folds
rbkgutt folds
Demonic16 raises to $28
mendezoo calls $20
*** FLOP *** [ ] (Total Pot: $57, 2 Players)
Demonic16 has 15 seconds left to act
Demonic16 bets $33
mendezoo has 15 seconds left to act
mendezoo calls $33
*** DISCARD ROUND *** (Total Pot: $123, 2 Players)
mendezoo discards
15 seconds left to act

Guys been absolutely mental so far. 4b tiny before, i peel AJ99ds and flop a 9, he shows K9 when we get in.

Thoughts on pre too? Clicked buttons successfully whilst discussing basic strategy with mates, lots of fun.

[Honeybadger]

Irish is a crappy game IMO, almost designed to kill action. But if the games are running on fulltilt I guess I should get in there because they will likely be good for the first few months.

The hand is question is a slightly interesting spot (and there aren't that many interesting spots in Irish). I am pretty sure you should keep the KK, although I haven't stoved it because I am on my iPhone.

If the flop was slightly different and you had TPGK plus a flush draw rather than middle pair plus a FD then I would be far more inclined to discard the overpair.

Preflop is fine. It is better than at PLO with the same hand IMO.

Tbh, this is a game that I have not done a huge amount of work on since it is rarely played in the mixed games that I frequent. Maybe there are more twists to the game than I give it credit for, but I sort of doubt it...

[titaniumbean]

should probably remind people of the rules,

4 cards pre, preflop,flop betting, then discard two and play on as holdem right?


I was under the impression it's the worst of both worlds. having said that i'm sure I have utterly no clue what to do.

Seems atleast close between KJcc and KK. but I dunro lolz. fiddy fiddy etc

[rfgqqabc]

Irish is a crappy game IMO, almost designed to kill action. But if the games are running on fulltilt I guess I should get in there because they will likely be good for the first few months.

The hand is question is a slightly interesting spot (and there aren't that many interesting spots in Irish). I am pretty sure you should keep the KK, although I haven't stoved it because I am on my iPhone.

If the flop was slightly different and you had TPGK plus a flush draw rather than middle pair plus a FD then I would be far more inclined to discard the overpair.

Preflop is fine. It is better than at PLO with the same hand IMO.

Tbh, this is a game that I have not done a huge amount of work on since it is rarely played in the mixed games that I frequent. Maybe there are more twists to the game than I give it credit for, but I sort of doubt it...

Well i figured he has a draw a good % of time or he would get it in here, why not its 3bet and everyone is clicking buttons (including me) so I ended up keeping KcJc. Games were fantastic yesterday when i first joined and a few hours later but seemed a bit worse at like 3am gmt. 25/50 ran yday!

[SuuPRlim]

Yes agree with Stu. Irish combines the nut-peddling/bluff catching elements of PLO without the potential for as good a hands. I.e people are scared of every flush and straight that comes in but then its impossible to have a wrap.

I'd keep the KK and agree with Stu that I'd go with if J was the top card OTF.

In same boat though cant pretend to have anything other than a VERY basic understanding of Irish, prolly played less than 100 hands of it in my life and I've played a LOT of mixed games where its been available.

Also.

It is better than at PLO with the same hand IMO.

3bet more

[rfgqqabc]

Yes agree with Stu. Irish combines the nut-peddling/bluff catching elements of PLO without the potential for as good a hands. I.e people are scared of every flush and straight that comes in but then its impossible to have a wrap.

I'd keep the KK and agree with Stu that I'd go with if J was the top card OTF.

In same boat though cant pretend to have anything other than a VERY basic understanding of Irish, prolly played less than 100 hands of it in my life and I've played a LOT of mixed games where its been available.

Also.

It is better than at PLO with the same hand IMO.

3bet more

I think Irish will end up a lot different online 6max to full ring full of 60y/o nits. To do this sort of analysis on the flop anyway we just stove the equities vs flatting range and go from there.

Any clue on preflop equity? Presume some sort of flopzilla program would be required.

[SuuPRlim]

Oracle doesnt do Irish, I guess you coould do flop/turn equity for all the 2 card holdem combos. so do , ,   , , , and then group them together, seems like a LOT of hard work though and that's just for one hand it'd be ridic time consuming to do that for a range of hands. I cant think any other way unless there is a specific Irish sim somewhere?

[doubleup]

Is it actually NL or is the history wrong?

[SuuPRlim]

yh NL and PL are both available.

400/800 nl Irish, if you fancy a gamble

[JustinSayne]

I thought KJcc was going to have better equity since pair plus fd = nuts in holdem most the time

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    44.387%     44.20%    00.19%             14633           63.50   { KcJc }
Hand 1:    55.613%     55.42%    00.19%             18350           63.50   { JJ+, AQs, KQs, QJs, AQo, KQo, QJo }

   equity    win    tie          pots won    pots tied   
Hand 0:    49.890%     48.47%    01.42%             19195          561.50   { KcKd }
Hand 1:    50.110%     48.69%    01.42%             19282          561.50   { JJ+, AQs, KQs, QJs, AQo, KQo, QJo }

Depends if he stacks off with all KQ/AQ combos

[Ironside]

as the international irish champion (ok the casino was the international in aberdeen and it was the one and only mtt of irish i have played)

against someone mental i might keep the KJc but 95% of time i would keep the over pair