Stars late on in $22 Rebuy AJss

[BorntoBubble]

Hi Really would like some comments on the hand below. I felt all options were possible not sure i like what i did though.

History 4 bettor has previously in a very similar spot 4 bet folded. He has 3 bet me quite a lot from OOP. Initial raiser is new to the table and chip leader.

***** Hand History for Game 96255313889 ***** (Poker Stars)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, March 27, 07:39:04 ET 2013
Table 713010533 22 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: JTDStreet ( $193860.00 USD )
Seat 2: Burn The 7 ( $438997.00 USD )
Seat 3: P4K3R Face ( $174723.00 USD )
Seat 4: GdeMoyNosok ( $149299.00 USD )
Seat 5: Luckbox4Life ( $197264.00 USD ) Playing 20.8/17/17.4 over 53 hands
Seat 8: SanSanych80 ( $119985.00 USD )
Seat 9: gruzasim ( $188967.00 USD )
JTDStreet posts ante of [$500.00 USD].
Burn The 7 posts ante of [$500.00 USD].
P4K3R Face posts ante of [$500.00 USD].
GdeMoyNosok posts ante of [$500.00 USD].
Luckbox4Life posts ante of [$500.00 USD].
SanSanych80 posts ante of [$500.00 USD].
gruzasim posts ante of [$500.00 USD].
GdeMoyNosok posts small blind [$2500.00 USD].
Luckbox4Life posts big blind [$5000.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to P4K3R Face [  ]
SanSanych80 folds
gruzasim folds
JTDStreet folds
Burn The 7 raises [$10000.00 USD]
P4K3R Face raises [$22455.00 USD]
GdeMoyNosok folds
Luckbox4Life raises [$35000.00 USD]
Burn The 7 folds
P4K3R Face

WWYDN?

[TL900]

impossible to answer, this is all read/gameflow based

[rfgqqabc]

jam or 49112/call or snap fold depending on what your heart/soul say.

[mulhuzz]

is peeling IP completely horrific?

[rfgqqabc]

is peeling IP completely horrific?

I mean you can definitely make an argument for it because of the size (which is bad from him imo) but at lower stakes this just means it is the wigwams. Everytime I have done this or seen someone do it I was always like, lol just shove pre but i think it has some merits here.

[Doobs]

is peeling IP completely horrific?

I mean you can definitely make an argument for it because of the size (which is bad from him imo) but at lower stakes this just means it is the wigwams. Everytime I have done this or seen someone do it I was always like, lol just shove pre but i think it has some merits here.

It is a $20 rebuy, it isn't so low stakes... and he has previously 4 bet folded. 

But...his hand range is likely beating AJ sooted.  I spew this in so often in play, but think 5 betting is probably bad. 

[mulhuzz]

is peeling IP completely horrific?

I mean you can definitely make an argument for it because of the size (which is bad from him imo) but at lower stakes this just means it is the wigwams. Everytime I have done this or seen someone do it I was always like, lol just shove pre but i think it has some merits here.

It is a $20 rebuy, it isn't so low stakes... and he has previously 4 bet folded.  

But...his hand range is likely beating AJ sooted.  I spew this in so often in play, but think 5 betting is probably bad.  

agree that 5balling is prolly spew. I'd peel and try and play some streets given we just about have the stack to get spr of 2 otf.

I'm calling, the actual geniuses probably just muck. Don't know how good 3b-folding such a pretty hand is, but I guess it's allowable since the 4b is cold and not from orig raiser?

[Pinchop73]

Flat OR.

Fold now.

[rfgqqabc]

is peeling IP completely horrific?

I mean you can definitely make an argument for it because of the size (which is bad from him imo) but at lower stakes this just means it is the wigwams. Every time I have done this or seen someone do it I was always like, lol just shove pre but i think it has some merits here.

It is a $20 rebuy, it isn't so low stakes... and he has previously 4 bet folded. 

But...his hand range is likely beating AJ sooted.  I spew this in so often in play, but think 5 betting is probably bad. 

I meant at stakes lower than a 20r you see AA here all the time when its this size. The problem with hands like this is that it is so player/read/gameflow dependant. if he has 4/folded before I'd ship in his eyes sometimes and this is the nut hand to do it but you can always hit the fold button and conserve your chips. It is much more likely to be really bad than really good.

Pinchop if you flat how would you react to this guys squeeze?

[Pinchop73]

Obv depends on OR. I mean I know he's CL but it's also his very first hand, from mp1.

With dynamics stated if Or crams I fold.

If he folds, I'm 4b/jamming this. I do much better vs villains 3b squeeze range, compared to his cold min 4b range.

[BorntoBubble]

Thanks for the input guys i was in a big mess really will post my thought process tomorrow but im off out on the piss shortly..

I flatted and it came QQ6 rainbow no clubs.

He then bet 22K i think ish. I will double check tomorrow

WWYDN!?

[dwayne110]

I think we need to respect the fact he's raising over an initial early raise by the table chip leader and therefore should have a strong range of hands.... the min-raise size to me looks so strong with 2 players still in the hand to act. The fact he's already 4-bet folded can also work the other way (i.e. he's not going to it again unless he has a much stronger hand). A-Q and A-K is a decent part of his range too, so we're only truly happy with 2 pair or club flushing boards? Fold for me

[buffyslayer1]

we are about 35bb effective and OR is new to table opening from MP

whats the reason to 3 bet pre? not like we have any dynamic to be 3 betting to 5 betting etc. Seems a bit thin only 35bb deep to be doing it for value because he flats worse. As at this stack depth villain is likely to jam or fold

Seems like a flat IP with a hand that flops well and likely dominates his opening range

[hotdog]

all depends on gameplay ETC,