The chilling words of a murderer?

[Matt.NFFC.]

Ask yourself a question.....If someone murdered someone close to you, would you want the death penalty to be actioned?

Me.....absolutely, but after I had the chance to give them a right good kicking.

Now that would be an adrenaline rush!

Sick stuff I know, but, emotion brings out the best/worst in people.

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Death penalty has zero deterrent effect

It'll stop that fucker from doing it again.

[AndrewT]

Death penalty has zero deterrent effect - no one thinks 'If I get caught killing this guy I'll spend the rest of my life in prison - that's OK. Good job there isn't the death penalty, or I wouldn't do this'

The only reason to have the death penalty is economic - 5 feet of rope is way cheaper than keeping someone in prison for 40 years.

Do you have figures to back that up?

I don't mind if you keep the figures in your pants, I'll just take your word for it.

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There will be other factors as well (death penalty states may have something else in common which  makes them more violent, for example)

Death penalty has zero deterrent effect

It'll stop that fucker from doing it again.

So does life in prison.

[kinboshi]

Death penalty has zero deterrent effect

It'll stop that fucker from doing it again.

Not when they sentence the wrong person.

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It'll stop that fucker from doing it again.

So does life in prison.
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I've heard of a lifer murdering again, but corpses never do.

[david3103]

It'll stop that fucker from doing it again.

So does life in prison.

I've heard of a lifer murdering again, but corpses never do.
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I've heard of people wrongly convicted and sentenced to life-imprisonment being released on appeal but .....

[rfgqqabc]

From Wik;i

"There has been much debate about the justification of imposing capital punishment on individuals who have been diagnosed with mental retardation. Some have argued that the execution of people with mental retardation constitutes cruel and unusual punishment as it pertains to the Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution.[16] And while the U.S. Supreme Court has interpreted cruel and unusual punishment to include those that fail to take into account the defendant’s degree of criminal culpability, it has not determined that executing the mentally retarded constitutes cruel and unusual punishment.
This issue was addressed in the case of Penry v. Lynaugh, in which Johnny Paul Penry had filed a habeas corpus petition in federal district court that claimed his death sentence should be vacated because it violated his Eighth Amendment rights. His reasoning was that he suffered from mental retardation, and numerous psychologists had confirmed this to be factual, indicating that his IQ ranged from 50 to 63 and that he possessed the mental abilities of a six and a half-year-old.[16] Penry’s petition was denied by the district court, whose decision was subsequently affirmed by the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. Penry would later appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, who ultimately ruled in a five-to-four decision that the Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution did not categorically prohibit the execution of persons with mental retardation. Following the 1989 Penry ruling, sixteen states as well as the federal government passed legislation that banned the execution of offenders with mental retardation.[16]
Penry was overruled by Atkins v. Virginia."

"A number of people are claimed to have been innocent victims of the death penalty.[2][3] Newly-available DNA evidence has allowed the exoneration and release of more than 15 death row inmates since 1992 in the United States,[4] but DNA evidence is available in only a fraction of capital cases. Others have been released on the basis of weak cases against them, sometimes involving prosecutorial misconduct; resulting in acquittal at retrial, charges dropped, or innocence-based pardons. The Death Penalty Information Center (U.S.) has published a list of 8 inmates "executed but possibly innocent".[5] At least 39 executions are claimed to have been carried out in the U.S. in the face of evidence of innocence or serious doubt about guilt.[6]"


http://acanderson24.hubpages.com/hub/The-Death-Penalty-Wrongfully-Executed

"Since 1973, over 130 people have been released from death rows throughout the country due to evidence of their wrongful convictions. In 2003 alone, 10 wrongfully convicted defendants were released from death row."
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/death-penalty-and-innocence

http://www.amnestyusa.org/pdfs/DeathPenaltyFactsMay2012.pdf

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I went and found some facts. I feel like this case shows just how poorly mental health is understood. Again, I don't know what the solution is but lethal injection doesn't seem like the correct one.

[DungBeetle]

"Since 1973, over 130 people have been released from death rows throughout the country due to evidence of their wrongful convictions. In 2003 alone, 10 wrongfully convicted defendants were released from death row"

I don't see what this has to do with our man walking into a cinema and gunning down all and sundry.  Do you think he may be innocent?

[kinboshi]

"Since 1973, over 130 people have been released from death rows throughout the country due to evidence of their wrongful convictions. In 2003 alone, 10 wrongfully convicted defendants were released from death row"

I don't see what this has to do with our man walking into a cinema and gunning down all and sundry.  Do you think he may be innocent?

The issue isn't necessarily with this case.  But if you have a system in place that means errors result in the taking of an innocent life, then it's not a good system.  There were people calling for the reintroduction of the death penalty when the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four were sentenced for life - only for their convictions to be quashed years down the line as they were indeed innocent.  Yes, they lost years of their life that they had to spend in prison, but at least they hadn't been killed.

If it's not a deterrent, and it's not a foolproof system (so that innocent people can and are convicted), there are really only two arguments in favour of the death penalty - the economic one and revenge.

[bobAlike]

"Since 1973, over 130 people have been released from death rows throughout the country due to evidence of their wrongful convictions. In 2003 alone, 10 wrongfully convicted defendants were released from death row"

I don't see what this has to do with our man walking into a cinema and gunning down all and sundry.  Do you think he may be innocent?

The issue isn't necessarily with this case.  But if you have a system in place that means errors result in the taking of an innocent life, then it's not a good system.  There were people calling for the reintroduction of the death penalty when the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four were sentenced for life - only for their convictions to be quashed years down the line as they were indeed innocent.  Yes, they lost years of their life that they had to spend in prison, but at least they hadn't been killed.

If it's not a deterrent, and it's not a foolproof system (so that innocent people can and are convicted), there are really only two arguments in favour of the death penalty - the economic one and revenge.

Birmingham Six and Guildford Four? What about the Renault 5?

[titaniumbean]

I am pro death penalty, but I wouldn't express my support for it in these words.  However, in this case the death penalty is absolutely justfied in my opinon.

I am no shrink, but do you really think this was the actions of a sane man?

Lock him up and throw away the key sure, but if you put him to death you are dragging society down to his level.

Either would suffice in my opinion.

I'm pretty sure death is a much better deterrent to stop other psychopaths copying him in the future though so it would definitely be my preference.

The death penalty acts as a deterrent, in particular to other psychopaths?  Do you have the figures to back that up?

Of course I have figures. I wouldn't have said it otherwise. I also have independent scientific studies at my disposal which prove everything I say beyond any doubt.

Unfortunately I keep all the evidence in my pants and you aren't allowed access so you'll have to take my word for it.

pant evidence <3


Wondered what that weird shaped bulge was.

[kinboshi]

"Since 1973, over 130 people have been released from death rows throughout the country due to evidence of their wrongful convictions. In 2003 alone, 10 wrongfully convicted defendants were released from death row"

I don't see what this has to do with our man walking into a cinema and gunning down all and sundry.  Do you think he may be innocent?

The issue isn't necessarily with this case.  But if you have a system in place that means errors result in the taking of an innocent life, then it's not a good system.  There were people calling for the reintroduction of the death penalty when the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four were sentenced for life - only for their convictions to be quashed years down the line as they were indeed innocent.  Yes, they lost years of their life that they had to spend in prison, but at least they hadn't been killed.

If it's not a deterrent, and it's not a foolproof system (so that innocent people can and are convicted), there are really only two arguments in favour of the death penalty - the economic one and revenge.

Birmingham Six and Guildford Four? What about the Renault 5?

...and the Kingswinford One.

[millidonk]

Whether it is a deterrent or not doesn't matter, the question is whether the death penalty is a suitable punishment for cold blooded murder or not... which it is.

[titaniumbean]

Thought this thread was going to be about the bind/torture/kill guy as channel 5 recently replayed a documentary about it that I watched. Absolutely mind blowing stuff. Hearing him speak in court is utterly unnerving.

linky if you want to be disturbed.

http://www.channel5.com/shows/born-to-kill

[Nakor]

"Since 1973, over 130 people have been released from death rows throughout the country due to evidence of their wrongful convictions. In 2003 alone, 10 wrongfully convicted defendants were released from death row"

I don't see what this has to do with our man walking into a cinema and gunning down all and sundry.  Do you think he may be innocent?

The issue isn't necessarily with this case.  But if you have a system in place that means errors result in the taking of an innocent life, then it's not a good system.  There were people calling for the reintroduction of the death penalty when the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four were sentenced for life - only for their convictions to be quashed years down the line as they were indeed innocent.  Yes, they lost years of their life that they had to spend in prison, but at least they hadn't been killed.

If it's not a deterrent, and it's not a foolproof system (so that innocent people can and are convicted), there are really only two arguments in favour of the death penalty - the economic one and revenge.

Can't find quotes/evidence as I am at work (Not Googling Death penalty here) but I am sure in the recent Trevor McDonald death row doc he stated that teh Death Penalty cost $2 Million per person but Life time in prison was circa $500k?