Let's do this blonde!!!

[lucky_scrote]

6th after AJ into KK

Had so many sweats!

Roll: $2512

[gouty]

Just down to the $33 now, busted the big 33 piling 15 bigs in the CO with K9o vs nits who wake up with AK.

I am probably wrong but for the sake of discussion and willing you over the finishing line let me put it out there.

Do you think 15 bigs is sometimes a stack size that needs protecting?  Can't ever get called by worse sort of thing?

I think this is such a weird stack size to shove personally. 13-17 bb is no mans land and is just marginal or too risky with any tourney equity at all.

You do seem to be getting mullered a lot towards the end of events and your image is all important. I would class myself as an online mtt nit and if I see obvious regs multi tabling and tend to change the way I play itm versus them.  Even 1 tabling players understand icm, especially tight players.

Obviously ak a shit example of calling ranges of nits but of all hands to shove any that have AKQ in them are pretty pish with your stack. I so hope your variance swings back but I think these particular stack sizes should be played differently. Shoving 68 off is better?

Good luck Dan.

Me and Dave are rooting for ya.

[DMorgan]

15 bigs with the antes is gunna work out to being closer to 12 bigs. Anything but jamming K9o from the CO in that spot is gunna be pretty bad. We have blockers and decent equity vs calling ranges.

[pleno1]

15 bigs with the antes is gunna work out to being closer to 12 bigs. Anything but jamming K9o from the CO in that spot is gunna be pretty bad. We have blockers and decent equity vs calling ranges.

well i dont necessarily agree with this, theres going to be a lot of spots that r f is going to be far superior imo.

but yeh dont think it is as bad as gouty suggested.

[TL900]

doesnt sound great imo

[lucky_scrote]

Discussion is cool.

I had a really nitty table like I said. If I had a table full of people who are calling perfectly (and I even tell them my jamming ranges which I assume are correct) then jamming K9o here is still correct given most scenarios. The fact that they were calling tighter than what they should be (they were nits and it was deep in the money) made it super profitable to jam in this spot. *Edit- Checked nash chart and KTo is minimum requirement vs people calling correctly, but I was close

If you use pokerstove to work out what equity K9 and 68 has vs different calling ranges then unless someones calling range is AA AK and AA then K9 will always have better equity when the cards are on the back. If there is an argument that people are only calling with super tight ranges and that you think hands like 68 would be better (for arguments sake lets say it is) then surely just jam ATC from this range if their calling ranges are going to be THAT tight.

@pleno yes sometimes you can raise fold in these spots. It's a pretty special scenario when you have super nitty players that don't adjust well (so they won't exploit you too much) to raise fold a hand that would be profitable to just jam in the first place.


Sleepy time now, Holland in the morning. Grinding Saturday and Sunday whilst there.

[lucky_scrote]

Just for fun (it's not too relevant, just for gouty really) but it's better to jam here with 68o than K9o when opponents calling ranges are (TT+,AQs+,AKo).

[pleno1]

disagree that its a special scenario, its prolly my std unless there would be a reason not to

[TL900]

if they are nitty r/f is far superior no?

[pleno1]

if they are nitty r/f is far superior no?

yeh anyway apologies for hikacking thread

[MC]

You can raise fold sometimes, but jamming here can pretty much never be wrong.

[lucky_scrote]

if they are nitty r/f is far superior no?

I think both would show a profit. I think it depends on your image too, if you're playing quite tight then r/f might show a better profit.

[lucky_scrote]

Started grinding an hour ago or so. Playing a full schedule on a 42'' TV today but it's pretty tilting already, might just go back to the laptop.

[vegaslover]

if they are nitty r/f is far superior no?

I think both would show a profit. I think it depends on your image too, if you're playing quite tight then r/f might show a better profit.

Being very player specific I think that R/F may be better against this oppo. Whether we shove or raise we get the same result of taking the blinds & antes. If he calls we way behind so why risk our tournie life. The shove is standard here just think we have some utility value with R/F

[lucky_scrote]

FT bubble in the $33, what happens next?!?!?


PokerStars Hand #100066677132: Tournament #809010086, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2013/06/15 8:30:45 WET [2013/06/15 3:30:45 ET]
Table '809010086 7' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: danistheking (9958 in chips)
Seat 2: Tom_Spencer (6588 in chips)
Seat 3: vanpoker86 (5375 in chips)
Seat 4: tinafaito (5124 in chips)
Seat 6: trangtayo6 (4574 in chips)
Seat 7: grambonator6 (9717 in chips)
danistheking: posts the ante 50
Tom_Spencer: posts the ante 50
vanpoker86: posts the ante 50
tinafaito: posts the ante 50
trangtayo6: posts the ante 50
grambonator6: posts the ante 50
grambonator6: posts small blind 200
danistheking: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to danistheking [ ]
Tom_Spencer: folds
vanpoker86: raises 4925 to 5325 and is all-in
tinafaito: folds
trangtayo6: folds
grambonator6: folds
danistheking: calls 4925
*** FLOP *** [ ]
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
danistheking: shows [ ] (a pair of Sevens)
vanpoker86: shows [ ] (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
vanpoker86 collected 11150 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11150 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: danistheking (big blind) showed [ ] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 2: Tom_Spencer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: vanpoker86 showed [ ] and won (11150) with two pair, Jacks and Sevens
Seat 4: tinafaito folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: trangtayo6 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: grambonator6 (small blind) folded before Flop