Thatcher dead?

[bobAlike]

I am just not sure what this thread can achieve now, the blue touchpaper has been lit and I can only see a lot of falling out, beyond what we have already seen.

Some comments just push it too far, so if its locked this afternoon, you know why

Just delete it Tighty as you say this will drag on for a longtime and my under 20 pages wager, with my surplus money, is already lost.

[the sicilian]

I'm a little puzzled at all the stuff about poll tax..... what exactly do you think the council tax is ? and why are you all not throwing bricks through windows and burning cars about it ?

[Acidmouse]

I'm a little puzzled at all the stuff about poll tax..... what exactly do you think the council tax is ? and why are you all not throwing bricks through windows and burning cars about it ?

I think these are questions you already know the answer to.

[Rod Paradise]

Looking at the photos in the newspapers of all the celebrations and parties held over Maggies death, it does appear that the vast majority of them are pretty young who weren't even born when Maggie was around.

Looks more like jumping on the bandwagon socialist loonies, the same ones that smashed their way around London when the school fees demos were happening. The rent a mob, classy members of our society.

On top of that throw in a few old miners who are still pissed off 30 years later.

Most of those don't know what socialism means or what it is, its just a label used by you and the mail to brand people who just need an excuse to kickoff. It's not even worth mentioning, what 300 people in the country made a twat of themselves? I bet the press were camped out waiting for them.

Ok I'll just label them low life tossers them for celebrating the death of a 87 year old lady. We both know what side of the political spectrum they are on though.

As opposed to high life tossers who's greed and me me me attitude leave them incapable of sympathy for those not as lucky/fortunate as them?

I'm glad she's dead - I do regret the death of an 87 year old lady though - it should have been when she was a lot younger. I've as much remorse over that as she had for her victims.

You've shown a lot of class there rod.

As have those of her supporters who have shown no compassion or humanity towards her victims on here either. I've seen my Grandad die from silicosis, so he never made it to be one of the 'old miners' happy she's gone. I'm not going to be a hypocrite about it, I've always hated her, for what she did & her lack of humanity/compasion/remorse in doing it, I'll save regrets for those who deserve it. As for my class, or lack thereof, you can judge how you like it matter not a fuck to me.

Compassion is a subjective emotion and just because I or some others are in the 'For Thatcher camp' doesn't mean we are compassionless. I'm sorry your GD died from a disease borne of the coal industry but stating how you hate this woman and wish that she had died at an earlier time is just puts you on an equal or lower standing than the person you hate.

Which is whay I said those of her suppoters not ALL of her supporters. I live in an area decimated by her need to break the unions. My Grandad would be one of those so compassionately described as a "few old miners who are still pissed off 30 years later". We've people so nicely stating that becasue people didn't prosper they were incapable of it. I don't need a lecture on morals from them, or you. I don't like that I carry this hate for her and what she did, It's not liek me, and I hope one day she's an irrelevance, but we're still stuggling here becasue of her & her followers.

Although if wishing on death on someone who ordered/condoned the deaths of others makes me lower than them in your eyes - I don't really care about your opinion any more.

[doubleup]

Btw this is one of the quotes double-up says is clearly aggressive and insulting.

Thatcher was a Goliath when it came to the Falklands war and the British response was completely justified. The pride in our armed forces all around the country and respect gained around the world was immense.

You missed this bit from the end

On the other hand Blair presented fake intelligence in the commons and urged the country to bomb Iraq because of WMD which did not exist. He did this mainly because he wanted to gobble Bush's penis.


Really positive stuff

[Rod Paradise]

Looking at the photos in the newspapers of all the celebrations and parties held over Maggies death, it does appear that the vast majority of them are pretty young who weren't even born when Maggie was around.

Looks more like jumping on the bandwagon socialist loonies, the same ones that smashed their way around London when the school fees demos were happening. The rent a mob, classy members of our society.

On top of that throw in a few old miners who are still pissed off 30 years later.

Most of those don't know what socialism means or what it is, its just a label used by you and the mail to brand people who just need an excuse to kickoff. It's not even worth mentioning, what 300 people in the country made a twat of themselves? I bet the press were camped out waiting for them.

Ok I'll just label them low life tossers them for celebrating the death of a 87 year old lady. We both know what side of the political spectrum they are on though.

As opposed to high life tossers who's greed and me me me attitude leave them incapable of sympathy for those not as lucky/fortunate as them?

I'm glad she's dead - I do regret the death of an 87 year old lady though - it should have been when she was a lot younger. I've as much remorse over that as she had for her victims.

You've shown a lot of class there rod.

As have those of her supporters who have shown no compassion or humanity towards her victims on here either. I've seen my Grandad die from silicosis, so he never made it to be one of the 'old miners' happy she's gone. I'm not going to be a hypocrite about it, I've always hated her, for what she did & her lack of humanity/compasion/remorse in doing it, I'll save regrets for those who deserve it. As for my class, or lack thereof, you can judge how you like it matter not a fuck to me.

I don't mean to cause any offence or be impertinent..but your grandad died of a disease caused by working in a mine and you hate maggie thatcher for closing said mine?

Of course not. I hate her for killing what he worked for.

[bobAlike]

Looking at the photos in the newspapers of all the celebrations and parties held over Maggies death, it does appear that the vast majority of them are pretty young who weren't even born when Maggie was around.

Looks more like jumping on the bandwagon socialist loonies, the same ones that smashed their way around London when the school fees demos were happening. The rent a mob, classy members of our society.

On top of that throw in a few old miners who are still pissed off 30 years later.

Most of those don't know what socialism means or what it is, its just a label used by you and the mail to brand people who just need an excuse to kickoff. It's not even worth mentioning, what 300 people in the country made a twat of themselves? I bet the press were camped out waiting for them.

Ok I'll just label them low life tossers them for celebrating the death of a 87 year old lady. We both know what side of the political spectrum they are on though.

As opposed to high life tossers who's greed and me me me attitude leave them incapable of sympathy for those not as lucky/fortunate as them?

I'm glad she's dead - I do regret the death of an 87 year old lady though - it should have been when she was a lot younger. I've as much remorse over that as she had for her victims.

You've shown a lot of class there rod.

As have those of her supporters who have shown no compassion or humanity towards her victims on here either. I've seen my Grandad die from silicosis, so he never made it to be one of the 'old miners' happy she's gone. I'm not going to be a hypocrite about it, I've always hated her, for what she did & her lack of humanity/compasion/remorse in doing it, I'll save regrets for those who deserve it. As for my class, or lack thereof, you can judge how you like it matter not a fuck to me.

Compassion is a subjective emotion and just because I or some others are in the 'For Thatcher camp' doesn't mean we are compassionless. I'm sorry your GD died from a disease borne of the coal industry but stating how you hate this woman and wish that she had died at an earlier time is just puts you on an equal or lower standing than the person you hate.

Which is whay I said those of her suppoters not ALL of her supporters. I live in an area decimated by her need to break the unions. My Grandad would be one of those so compassionately described as a "few old miners who are still pissed off 30 years later". We've people so nicely stating that becasue people didn't prosper they were incapable of it. I don't need a lecture on morals from them, or you. I don't like that I carry this hate for her and what she did, It's not liek me, and I hope one day she's an irrelevance, but we're still stuggling here becasue of her & her followers.

Although if wishing on death on someone who ordered/condoned the deaths of others makes me lower than them in your eyes - I don't really care about your opinion any more.

Good luck to you Rod, I bare you malice and you're right to not care about my opinion because it is worthless to all except me.

[MANTIS01]

Seems to me the people with all this compassion are the ones who make the vilest remarks. Go figure.

I live about a mile away from longbridge. Can the people with compassion tell me who I should spend the rest of my life hating.

[Rod Paradise]

Sorry but how is any of that quoting and flaming an individual blonde member?

Sorry I actually meant to quote

I don’t know how calling me a troll after all the positive content I’ve submitted is doing your best.

You don't have to quote or flame individuals to cause them offence.  Your language in these quotes is clearly aggressive and insulting.  You got a reaction and you now seem like a drama queen.

Textbook Mantis - repeated smug arrogance and provocative posts - pick someone who bites and play the victim - if you can get a sneaky wee pop at the Mods it's a bonus.... and repeat.

How you think you can take the moral high ground and talk about my provocative posts is a joke really

Moral high ground? Becasue I recognise your modus operandi? LOL. Have fun on your high horse......

[MANTIS01]

Rod, one day you will realise how ironic your sig is.

[doubleup]

I'm a little puzzled at all the stuff about poll tax..... what exactly do you think the council tax is ? and why are you all not throwing bricks through windows and burning cars about it ?

The council tax is a property tax.  The poll tax was a flat rate tax levied on anyone who wanted to vote. hth  

[Woodsey]

Looking at the photos in the newspapers of all the celebrations and parties held over Maggies death, it does appear that the vast majority of them are pretty young who weren't even born when Maggie was around.

Looks more like jumping on the bandwagon socialist loonies, the same ones that smashed their way around London when the school fees demos were happening. The rent a mob, classy members of our society.

On top of that throw in a few old miners who are still pissed off 30 years later.

Most of those don't know what socialism means or what it is, its just a label used by you and the mail to brand people who just need an excuse to kickoff. It's not even worth mentioning, what 300 people in the country made a twat of themselves? I bet the press were camped out waiting for them.

Ok I'll just label them low life tossers them for celebrating the death of a 87 year old lady. We both know what side of the political spectrum they are on though.

As opposed to high life tossers who's greed and me me me attitude leave them incapable of sympathy for those not as lucky/fortunate as them?

I'm glad she's dead - I do regret the death of an 87 year old lady though - it should have been when she was a lot younger. I've as much remorse over that as she had for her victims.

No, as opposed to those who wanted to go out there and work hard to make something of themselves, rather than have an easy life being mediocre in inefficient unprofitable industries that were only there because they were subsidised by the government.

But as usual people want to blame others and expect everything to be handed to them on a plate rather than go out there and make something of themselves.

Anyone who had the determination and was willing to work hard had a good chance of succeeding under Thatcher. If they didnt prosper during her time, there is a good chance they are incapable of ever prospering.

You mean like the bankers?

If you like, but that subsidy was not given out by a conservative government.

[Rod Paradise]

Looking at the photos in the newspapers of all the celebrations and parties held over Maggies death, it does appear that the vast majority of them are pretty young who weren't even born when Maggie was around.

Looks more like jumping on the bandwagon socialist loonies, the same ones that smashed their way around London when the school fees demos were happening. The rent a mob, classy members of our society.

On top of that throw in a few old miners who are still pissed off 30 years later.

Most of those don't know what socialism means or what it is, its just a label used by you and the mail to brand people who just need an excuse to kickoff. It's not even worth mentioning, what 300 people in the country made a twat of themselves? I bet the press were camped out waiting for them.

Ok I'll just label them low life tossers them for celebrating the death of a 87 year old lady. We both know what side of the political spectrum they are on though.

As opposed to high life tossers who's greed and me me me attitude leave them incapable of sympathy for those not as lucky/fortunate as them?

I'm glad she's dead - I do regret the death of an 87 year old lady though - it should have been when she was a lot younger. I've as much remorse over that as she had for her victims.

You've shown a lot of class there rod.

As have those of her supporters who have shown no compassion or humanity towards her victims on here either. I've seen my Grandad die from silicosis, so he never made it to be one of the 'old miners' happy she's gone. I'm not going to be a hypocrite about it, I've always hated her, for what she did & her lack of humanity/compasion/remorse in doing it, I'll save regrets for those who deserve it. As for my class, or lack thereof, you can judge how you like it matter not a fuck to me.

Compassion is a subjective emotion and just because I or some others are in the 'For Thatcher camp' doesn't mean we are compassionless. I'm sorry your GD died from a disease borne of the coal industry but stating how you hate this woman and wish that she had died at an earlier time is just puts you on an equal or lower standing than the person you hate.

Which is whay I said those of her suppoters not ALL of her supporters. I live in an area decimated by her need to break the unions. My Grandad would be one of those so compassionately described as a "few old miners who are still pissed off 30 years later". We've people so nicely stating that becasue people didn't prosper they were incapable of it. I don't need a lecture on morals from them, or you. I don't like that I carry this hate for her and what she did, It's not liek me, and I hope one day she's an irrelevance, but we're still stuggling here becasue of her & her followers.

Although if wishing on death on someone who ordered/condoned the deaths of others makes me lower than them in your eyes - I don't really care about your opinion any more.

Good luck to you Rod, I bare you malice and you're right to not care about my opinion because it is worthless to all except me.

No real malice towards you here either - she had her supporters, and in certain areas of the counrty she did them a lot of good, but they got that benefit at the cost of a lot of others she called 'the enemey within'. As I said on a less heated thread - while a leader will naturally favour their supporters, it is still important for a leader to remember they have a responsibility to all their citizens. She didn't just forget that - she actively attacked those who didn't support her. That sullies her legacy more than anything else.

[david3103]

Can I be banned from this thread please?

I tried self-excluding but in a triumph of hope over experience I keep coming back when there's a new post to look for some reasoned debate.

fwiw - I have mixed feelings about the legacy of those 11 years.

Teesside was once a major manufacturing centre but that had all gone by the time I got here in 1987 and the wasteland on the south bank of the Tees as it flowed past Stockton was a very clear indication of the death of that industry.
Today it is full of offices, homes, University buildings and more. The Tees Barrage and an International Standard white-water facility add to the sense that it has been improved and Mrs Thatcher took much of the credit for the establishment of the Teesside Development Corporation that was responsible for that 'improvement'.
My recollection is that Michael Heseltine had a fair hand in that too, but...

Is it improved? Aesthetically without a doubt. But the once world-leading shipbuilders and fabricators that used to occupy that space probably contributed more to the Nation's Wealth than the current crop of call centres and claims handlers.
Why did those manufacturing industries fail?
one or more of these reasons I'd say
 
Because they didn't modernise when they should have,
because the Unions strangled the life out of them
because the strong pound made their products too expensive on world markets

Which of those you choose may define your view of the Thatcher years

[Rod Paradise]

Rod, one day you will realise how ironic your sig is.

Just shows your total lack of comprehension of what it means.