Thatcher dead?

[MANTIS01]

People will see itt that despite the vile comments about a lady I respected on the day she died I didn’t quote anybody or flame them directly. On the contrary, I allowed opposing strong views to co-exist alongside my own and backed up why I think the way I do with information and personal experiences. My attitude began to change when a moderator decided that opposing views co-existing itt was not to be tolerated and started flaming me personally. My response to the first barrage of abuse from the moderator was quite respectful. I responded with further contribution to the debate and provided personal experiences. But the mod continued the personal flaming. Then more mods turned up and told me to give people a break.

There are a few people on blonde who have this predisposed negative attitude towards them, like me smashedagain, and aaron. I think it’s fair to say we attract some stick from fellow members and we are cool about that. But when moderators start wading in with personal flaming I think that is a bit much.

Personally I think quoting the miners comment and asking what I meant by it would have been a better modding job and promoted further discussion than steaming in and branding me a troll. But I don’t walk in those shoes so there must be a special modding reason for it. It is clear to see fatman has offered nothing to this discussion and I already proved that in a previous post. Yet I carry on contributing to it. I keep hearing I don’t understand this and that but no information is forthcoming, just more personal flaming from the moderator.

I did a Luis Suarez over the flaming this time because generally I don’t think mods flaming members is the way forward. However, if people want to go back and read this thread there are many better candidates for self-pity than me.

[doubleup]

Mantis, liberals and anti-thatcherites know about human nature.  They know that people need to be motivated.  They know that smart kids in China can do things cheaper than smart kids in Brtain.  You seem to think that you have a monopoly on this mysterious knowledge.  The difference is that Thatcher said fck it I'll just control inflation and that'll sort everything out whereas others believe that the state should find a way to utilise the skills of the people rather than let them languish on benefits. 

[Tal]

I haven't seen - to the best of my recollection - a single instance of someone being persuaded to change their view in 27 pages.

It has probably been the thread in which I have seen the highest concentration of vigorous, deeply emotive argument.

So it isn't for want of trying.

I fully understand why people wanted to have their say on this subject, but it seems only logical that it, once that is done, it is someone else's turn to hold the conch and we value their opinion. Some people refer to statistics, some to anecdotes, some to experience. They're all meritorious and, however much we may disagree, their opinions are valid.

It is too easy to criticise, rebuke and dismiss - we all do it; I'm no Peter Perfect - and this thread has taken the same line as was inevitably displayed in pubs up and down the country: start with two opposing views and end up with childish barbarism.

It is so petty, especially when we all know it won't change anything or anyone's opinion. Except of us, that is.

My view won't make a scrap of difference (partly why I haven't given my opinion on Mrs/Baroness T) and I say to all parties that you have the right to continue to say unpleasant things (of whatever nature and in whichever direction).

Part of me would rather you converted that anger into something more positive, but that's a little hippier than I'd generally like to phrase it.

Peace and love.

[bobAlike]

I haven't seen - to the best of my recollection - a single instance of someone being persuaded to change their view in 27 pages.

It has probably been the thread in which I have seen the highest concentration of vigorous, deeply emotive argument.

So it isn't for want of trying.

I fully understand why people wanted to have their say on this subject, but it seems only logical that it, once that is done, it is someone else's turn to hold the conch and we value their opinion. Some people refer to statistics, some to anecdotes, some to experience. They're all meritorious and, however much we may disagree, their opinions are valid.

It is too easy to criticise, rebuke and dismiss - we all do it; I'm no Peter Perfect - and this thread has taken the same line as was inevitably displayed in pubs up and down the country: start with two opposing views and end up with childish barbarism.

It is so petty, especially when we all know it won't change anything or anyone's opinion. Except of us, that is.

My view won't make a scrap of difference (partly why I haven't given my opinion on Mrs/Baroness T) and I say to all parties that you have the right to continue to say unpleasant things (of whatever nature and in whichever direction).

Part of me would rather you converted that anger into something more positive, but that's a little hippier than I'd generally like to phrase it.

Peace and love.

Would you mind translating that into 'Brummie spake' please?

[Tal]

I haven't seen - to the best of my recollection - a single instance of someone being persuaded to change their view in 27 pages.

It has probably been the thread in which I have seen the highest concentration of vigorous, deeply emotive argument.

So it isn't for want of trying.

I fully understand why people wanted to have their say on this subject, but it seems only logical that it, once that is done, it is someone else's turn to hold the conch and we value their opinion. Some people refer to statistics, some to anecdotes, some to experience. They're all meritorious and, however much we may disagree, their opinions are valid.

It is too easy to criticise, rebuke and dismiss - we all do it; I'm no Peter Perfect - and this thread has taken the same line as was inevitably displayed in pubs up and down the country: start with two opposing views and end up with childish barbarism.

It is so petty, especially when we all know it won't change anything or anyone's opinion. Except of us, that is.

My view won't make a scrap of difference (partly why I haven't given my opinion on Mrs/Baroness T) and I say to all parties that you have the right to continue to say unpleasant things (of whatever nature and in whichever direction).

Part of me would rather you converted that anger into something more positive, but that's a little hippier than I'd generally like to phrase it.

Peace and love.

Would you mind translating that into 'Brummie spake' please?

Carrrrrm dowwwwun

[bobAlike]

I haven't seen - to the best of my recollection - a single instance of someone being persuaded to change their view in 27 pages.

It has probably been the thread in which I have seen the highest concentration of vigorous, deeply emotive argument.

So it isn't for want of trying.

I fully understand why people wanted to have their say on this subject, but it seems only logical that it, once that is done, it is someone else's turn to hold the conch and we value their opinion. Some people refer to statistics, some to anecdotes, some to experience. They're all meritorious and, however much we may disagree, their opinions are valid.

It is too easy to criticise, rebuke and dismiss - we all do it; I'm no Peter Perfect - and this thread has taken the same line as was inevitably displayed in pubs up and down the country: start with two opposing views and end up with childish barbarism.

It is so petty, especially when we all know it won't change anything or anyone's opinion. Except of us, that is.

My view won't make a scrap of difference (partly why I haven't given my opinion on Mrs/Baroness T) and I say to all parties that you have the right to continue to say unpleasant things (of whatever nature and in whichever direction).

Part of me would rather you converted that anger into something more positive, but that's a little hippier than I'd generally like to phrase it.

Peace and love.

Would you mind translating that into 'Brummie spake' please?

Carrrrrm dowwwwun

Bostin' Ta

[Tal]

I haven't seen - to the best of my recollection - a single instance of someone being persuaded to change their view in 27 pages.

It has probably been the thread in which I have seen the highest concentration of vigorous, deeply emotive argument.

So it isn't for want of trying.

I fully understand why people wanted to have their say on this subject, but it seems only logical that it, once that is done, it is someone else's turn to hold the conch and we value their opinion. Some people refer to statistics, some to anecdotes, some to experience. They're all meritorious and, however much we may disagree, their opinions are valid.

It is too easy to criticise, rebuke and dismiss - we all do it; I'm no Peter Perfect - and this thread has taken the same line as was inevitably displayed in pubs up and down the country: start with two opposing views and end up with childish barbarism.

It is so petty, especially when we all know it won't change anything or anyone's opinion. Except of us, that is.

My view won't make a scrap of difference (partly why I haven't given my opinion on Mrs/Baroness T) and I say to all parties that you have the right to continue to say unpleasant things (of whatever nature and in whichever direction).

Part of me would rather you converted that anger into something more positive, but that's a little hippier than I'd generally like to phrase it.

Peace and love.

Would you mind translating that into 'Brummie spake' please?

Carrrrrm dowwwwun

Bostin' Ta

Appy as a pig in muck.

[nirvana]

Pretty civilised barbarism tbf.

[bobAlike]

I haven't seen - to the best of my recollection - a single instance of someone being persuaded to change their view in 27 pages.

It has probably been the thread in which I have seen the highest concentration of vigorous, deeply emotive argument.

So it isn't for want of trying.

I fully understand why people wanted to have their say on this subject, but it seems only logical that it, once that is done, it is someone else's turn to hold the conch and we value their opinion. Some people refer to statistics, some to anecdotes, some to experience. They're all meritorious and, however much we may disagree, their opinions are valid.

It is too easy to criticise, rebuke and dismiss - we all do it; I'm no Peter Perfect - and this thread has taken the same line as was inevitably displayed in pubs up and down the country: start with two opposing views and end up with childish barbarism.

It is so petty, especially when we all know it won't change anything or anyone's opinion. Except of us, that is.

My view won't make a scrap of difference (partly why I haven't given my opinion on Mrs/Baroness T) and I say to all parties that you have the right to continue to say unpleasant things (of whatever nature and in whichever direction).

Part of me would rather you converted that anger into something more positive, but that's a little hippier than I'd generally like to phrase it.

Peace and love.

Would you mind translating that into 'Brummie spake' please?

Carrrrrm dowwwwun

Bostin' Ta

Appy as a pig in muck.

Would you know where you were if you went to 'Pig on the Wall'?

[Tal]

I haven't seen - to the best of my recollection - a single instance of someone being persuaded to change their view in 27 pages.

It has probably been the thread in which I have seen the highest concentration of vigorous, deeply emotive argument.

So it isn't for want of trying.

I fully understand why people wanted to have their say on this subject, but it seems only logical that it, once that is done, it is someone else's turn to hold the conch and we value their opinion. Some people refer to statistics, some to anecdotes, some to experience. They're all meritorious and, however much we may disagree, their opinions are valid.

It is too easy to criticise, rebuke and dismiss - we all do it; I'm no Peter Perfect - and this thread has taken the same line as was inevitably displayed in pubs up and down the country: start with two opposing views and end up with childish barbarism.

It is so petty, especially when we all know it won't change anything or anyone's opinion. Except of us, that is.

My view won't make a scrap of difference (partly why I haven't given my opinion on Mrs/Baroness T) and I say to all parties that you have the right to continue to say unpleasant things (of whatever nature and in whichever direction).

Part of me would rather you converted that anger into something more positive, but that's a little hippier than I'd generally like to phrase it.

Peace and love.

Would you mind translating that into 'Brummie spake' please?

Carrrrrm dowwwwun

Bostin' Ta

Appy as a pig in muck.

Would you know where you were if you went to 'Pig on the Wall'?

Pink Floyd album?

Then no. Enlighten me, sir.

[bobAlike]

I haven't seen - to the best of my recollection - a single instance of someone being persuaded to change their view in 27 pages.

It has probably been the thread in which I have seen the highest concentration of vigorous, deeply emotive argument.

So it isn't for want of trying.

I fully understand why people wanted to have their say on this subject, but it seems only logical that it, once that is done, it is someone else's turn to hold the conch and we value their opinion. Some people refer to statistics, some to anecdotes, some to experience. They're all meritorious and, however much we may disagree, their opinions are valid.

It is too easy to criticise, rebuke and dismiss - we all do it; I'm no Peter Perfect - and this thread has taken the same line as was inevitably displayed in pubs up and down the country: start with two opposing views and end up with childish barbarism.

It is so petty, especially when we all know it won't change anything or anyone's opinion. Except of us, that is.

My view won't make a scrap of difference (partly why I haven't given my opinion on Mrs/Baroness T) and I say to all parties that you have the right to continue to say unpleasant things (of whatever nature and in whichever direction).

Part of me would rather you converted that anger into something more positive, but that's a little hippier than I'd generally like to phrase it.

Peace and love.

Would you mind translating that into 'Brummie spake' please?

Carrrrrm dowwwwun

Bostin' Ta

Appy as a pig in muck.

Would you know where you were if you went to 'Pig on the Wall'?

Pink Floyd album?

Then no. Enlighten me, sir.

You would be visiting Gornal sire, known locally as Pig on the Wall.

http://www.sedgleymanor.com/historical/pig_on_the_wall.html

May be one for Reds diary

[Tal]

I haven't seen - to the best of my recollection - a single instance of someone being persuaded to change their view in 27 pages.

It has probably been the thread in which I have seen the highest concentration of vigorous, deeply emotive argument.

So it isn't for want of trying.

I fully understand why people wanted to have their say on this subject, but it seems only logical that it, once that is done, it is someone else's turn to hold the conch and we value their opinion. Some people refer to statistics, some to anecdotes, some to experience. They're all meritorious and, however much we may disagree, their opinions are valid.

It is too easy to criticise, rebuke and dismiss - we all do it; I'm no Peter Perfect - and this thread has taken the same line as was inevitably displayed in pubs up and down the country: start with two opposing views and end up with childish barbarism.

It is so petty, especially when we all know it won't change anything or anyone's opinion. Except of us, that is.

My view won't make a scrap of difference (partly why I haven't given my opinion on Mrs/Baroness T) and I say to all parties that you have the right to continue to say unpleasant things (of whatever nature and in whichever direction).

Part of me would rather you converted that anger into something more positive, but that's a little hippier than I'd generally like to phrase it.

Peace and love.

Would you mind translating that into 'Brummie spake' please?

Carrrrrm dowwwwun

Bostin' Ta

Appy as a pig in muck.

Would you know where you were if you went to 'Pig on the Wall'?

Pink Floyd album?

Then no. Enlighten me, sir.

You would be visiting Gornal sire, known locally as Pig on the Wall.

http://www.sedgleymanor.com/historical/pig_on_the_wall.html

May be one for Reds diary

Ahhh!

Not aware of this at all, but thank you for that. Have been that way a few times through either chess, family or when the dog was little and had ringcraft classes (staffy country, Upper Gornal and its surrounding areas).

Always a pleasure to learn something new. Thank you.

[kinboshi]

An interesting article from a different viewpoint:

http://www.thenation.com/blog/173731/why-would-anyone-celebrate-death-margaret-thatcher-ask-chilean

(yes, it's anti-Thatcher, so if you don't want to read a piece that isn't eulogising about her you can skip it)

[Tal]

[bobAlike]

An interesting article from a different viewpoint:

http://www.thenation.com/blog/173731/why-would-anyone-celebrate-death-margaret-thatcher-ask-chilean

(yes, it's anti-Thatcher, so if you don't want to read a piece that isn't eulogising about her you can skip it)

Boshi states the bleedin obvious.