SCOOP 2013

[claypole]

I'm surprised there hasn't been more comments made in this thread.

Look Tom, I don't know you at all; altho I do trust and respect some of your friends and people who vouched for you.  All I am going to say is when something like this happens the test of you as a person is how you deal with it.  I've got to be honest - the post you made makes it very difficult to respond; which is why I think there probably hasn't been much comment.  Most of the people on this forum are decent; and the reasons you've provided are a bit different to "I'm a degen knocked it in on Man U v Chelsea"; stakers coming on being honest about theyre feeling is pretty difficult when you've posted a pretty raw post from a mental wellness perspective.

Scott's and Paul's posts good examples, they're good people ; "get yourself right and focus on yourself". Of course they are right - but what else would they say.  Part of that is taking some responsibility for this situation and dealing with it in the right way.  As you said these are not all close friends that have shipped you over £200 each. It's a sizeable stake - albeit I'm pretty sure most people write off when they are booked so it's not going to affect their lives.  However, they've every right to be pissed of - I was when directed to the thread last night, even to its a twoer and your having a tough time; that's me being honest - it's a values thing for me whatever the reasons are.

So, all I'm going to say is be completely honest (even if by PM to stakers, dont have to share with world) try and deal with this in the right way, communicate effectively and sort it out - even if it takes a while. As you say if you don't you don't have much of a future in poker; if you do people with forgive and support you - and give you a second chance.

I genuinely hope you're ok and have some good people around you to help.

[The Camel]

Small bit of advice from a bystander.

I am owed significant but not life changing amounts of money by three people.

It's frustrating because I'm pretty borassic at the moment and could do with it, but they haven't got it so I'm in the waiting room.

Two keep me up to speed with the situation and send me small amounts when they can, which is cool.

The other one has been on the missing list for nearly a year now. It's unbelievably annoying. I have no idea what's happening.

So my advice to you would be, don't hide.

Make a list of all the money you owe and sort out a repayment schedule. Keep everyone in the loop with what's happening and when they are likely to see their money back. Forget about interest, no one expects that. They just want their cash back.

If that means taking a job and paying back half your wages every week, so be it.

You have to face the consequences of your actions, running and hiding is the worst thing possible.

Working your way out of it might actually teach you how hard it is to come by money sometimes.

Your post suggest you will do the right thing, let's hope you do.

All the best.

[outragous76]

Moved my post as I told myself I'm not getting involved in these things when I came back to blonde

(Was nothing controversial btw)

[pleno1]

sigh mate.

Not really sure what to say and whilst it is of course inexcusable, I genuinely don't think you are a bad guy and you meant this to go as far as it did. I think dozens of us have been close to it before and it is really sad to see.

I genuinely hope you can sort this out in the best way possible and to be honest, I think you will. Don't do anything stupid and try and come back fighting, there will always be plenty of people who will stand by you and help out as you can see re Marc/Blatch etc etc.

[tight4better]

Haven't known you long mate but if you ever want to chat message me on FB/Twitter I'll throw you my number. Don't be alone during this time.

[toddswain]

Sigh.

I mean... Its pretty frustrating when i take a punt when im semi-broke. Taking a punt and someone playing shit is fine, but this is kinda grim.

That being said, like others have said, the real test to you as a person now Tom is how you deal with it, do things right and you give people the chance to forgive and forget etc, dont and well im sure your aware.

I hope you manage to sort out things with your personal life then make the required effort to right your wrongs

[mondatoo]

You may well have replied to the people above via PM, but it looks pretty bad itt, to me atleast, that you've been online but not responded, esp to those who invested.

Just think you should do everything possilble to attempt to start rebuilding your reputation.

Hope everything gets sorted out, whilst you feel like shit at the moment this doesn't need to be a life defining moment by any means.

[TL900]

You may well have replied to the people above via PM, but it looks pretty bad itt, to me atleast, that you've been online but not responded, esp to those who invested.

What looks bad? What do you want me to say to people 1 day after that post? I cant fix this bridge overnight and it will take time. Today I applied for 4 jobs 3 of which I am 100% certain I will not get a 2nd look by and spoke to my backers to see what the score is and where I stand with them. Tomorrow i will probably rinse and repeat. When some substantial good news comes up i will happily inform everyone who i owe money too.

I dont know what you want me to say/do.

[mondatoo]

You may well have replied to the people above via PM, but it looks pretty bad itt, to me atleast, that you've been online but not responded, esp to those who invested.

What looks bad? What do you want me to say to people 1 day after that post? I cant fix this bridge overnight and it will take time. Today I applied for 4 jobs 3 of which I am 100% certain I will not get a 2nd look by and spoke to my backers to see what the score is and where I stand with them. Tomorrow i will probably rinse and repeat. When some substantial good news comes up i will happily inform everyone who i owe money too.

I dont know what you want me to say/do.

Just personally I would address the comments and advice people have giving itt just for courtesy sake if nothing else.

VBOL to you in getting yourself sorted out asap.

[paulhouk03]

When u do get a job and regular income what will get priority in who gets paid first?

Your backer
Your other debts
This thread?


I know my debt is prob your smallest but 90£ is quite a lot for me to punt about


The reason I'm asking is that I might try sell this debt

Also can u change ur avatar kinda tilting

[scotty77]

Speaking as an investor I don't think Tom could do anything else at this time.

Moving forward I think that once he has an income, there should be full disclosure as to how much he owes and the payment plans to each investor.

Good luck and just remember that lots of people have got themselves in deeper holes and got out of it so I'm sure you can too. Just be as honest and update in a regular fashion.

[Laxie]

Amazing to me what qualifies for grilling and what's left ride.  Good thing he's not complained of depression too or this thread was finished. 

[TL900]

When u do get a job and regular income what will get priority in who gets paid first?

Your backer
Your other debts
This thread?


I know my debt is prob your smallest but 90£ is quite a lot for me to punt about

My backers havent disclosed their position on me yet and are discussing it as we speak. However, they dont seem too keen to instantly drop me (touch wood) so im hoping it will be make sure i have money to live, pay this thread back sort out something with backers.

[TL900]

Amazing to me what qualifies for grilling and what's left ride.  Good thing he's not complained of depression too or this thread was finished. 

I dont understand this, i cant tell if this is a dig at me or not, could u explain please?

[redarmi]

You may well have replied to the people above via PM, but it looks pretty bad itt, to me atleast, that you've been online but not responded, esp to those who invested.

What looks bad? What do you want me to say to people 1 day after that post? I cant fix this bridge overnight and it will take time. Today I applied for 4 jobs 3 of which I am 100% certain I will not get a 2nd look by and spoke to my backers to see what the score is and where I stand with them. Tomorrow i will probably rinse and repeat. When some substantial good news comes up i will happily inform everyone who i owe money too.

I dont know what you want me to say/do.

I think you are missing the point a bit Tom and haven't really taken the time to consider the good posts above and taken them in the spirit to which they were intended.  I invested and it wasn't until a friend of mine pointed out your post that I knew what had happened.  It would have been courteous, at the very least, for you to pm all of the investors and let them know what had happened personally and give an idea of what you intend to do to pay us back and make it right.