trappy with a good hand

[jgcblack]

We have KK in the SB.

£1/2 Live
UTG+1 (competent player) opens to 10 (375~), MP calls (weaker 500~), HJ calls (seems ok 200~)

We make it 41 to go, covering all.

UTG quickly calls, MP calls, HJ folds.



We check, UTG tank checks, MP checks..



We check, UTG tank checks again, MP tank bets 80, we take a little while and call, UTG folds.



We quickly check, MP ummms nnarrrrhss and ships in the 360......


Wtf???


Sorry, edited.. Only bkdr hearts..

[pleno1]

Why would you ever ever check the Turn?

[jgcblack]

Why would you ever ever check the Turn?

Neither of them has Kx ever.. They won't hero with 77-JJ for two streets but will probably bet them.

They never bluff when we lead turn.

Hate line?

[corkeye]

+1 to Lead turn for value.

As played its close but given that you've gone ape (yswidt) pre and then gone passive post your line to him will be confusing yet he decides to casually overbet ship river when all draws come in. Fold

[kano]

Easy fold, only checking turn to check raise.

[PathFinder]

I prefer to bet/bet/bet. But if you want to trap then bet flop and if get 1 caller check turn to disguise your hand and give him chance to fire entire range.

FPS seems to have taken place here when keeping the line simple probably yields a better result

[Pugwashed]

If you're gonna check flop then bet turn. As played I probably call river given that we're at least perceived to be pretty capped here.

[mulhuzz]

we are so underrepped so I do a cawl

defo bet turn though.

[cambridgealex]

JB in FPS shocker

[George2Loose]

Barrels with 24o. Checks top set

[cambridgealex]

Snaps Ace high here. Folds top set.

[SuuPRlim]

i'd be way way way too tilted to fold here ever, if the man can show me a better hand, then he's winning the money!

and chk flop chk turn I dont like.

[jgcblack]

JB in FPS shocker

its not fps to flop absonizzles with very little chance of being outdrawn vs two aggressive opponents (relatively).

I dont see enough value in bet flop myself.

Turn seems similarly bricky, obv leaving anything other than 2-7's I think..

In retrospect I dont like river because this particular player probably doesn't bluff shove, much, if ever.

[Honeybadger]

It is true that you are reasonably unlikely to get three streets of value from your hand if you bet. However, you are even more unlikely to get three streets if you check.

This flop (King small small rainbow) simply hits your range as the 3bettor much harder than your opponents' ranges, which means they are 'allowed to' fold a lot by the river. This is even more true when you have two blockers to them having Kx hands. First world problems etc.

Obviously, anything at all can be justified exploitatively if you have the right read. However, you have not given any strong read on how your opponents will likely react to a bet (or a check) on this flop. Perhaps they will give you a ton of credit on this flop and fold too much, but it is also possible they will hero call you down for two or three streets with a hand like 99 since they (correctly) think you'd cbet this flop with almost all your air. Given that you have no idea of their likely tendencies then you should start off by just 'playing your range'. Your range is strong on this flop, so you should usually be betting. Let them make a difficult decision on how to play against your range, and hope that their decision ends up being the wrong one against your exact hand.

Also, I'd imagine that with your likely 'sickest mofo in the room' image villain's will be more likely than usual to call down with a wider variety of bluff catchers than they might against other players. But you gotta give them the chance to do so!

Once the flop has been checked through you should definitely bet the turn. Same logic as above.

River... lolololol. GL GL GL.

[PathFinder]

Given that you have no idea of their likely tendencies then you should start off by just 'playing your range'. Your range is strong on this flop, so you should usually be betting. Let them make a difficult decision on how to play against your range, and hope that their decision ends up being the wrong one against your exact hand.

THIS,THIS AND THIS SO HARD