Just an overpair

[jgcblack]

We have .  (350eff)


£1/2
Pot is straddled to 5.

Limp from villain (550+), I make it 21, call BB, call straddle, villain calls

Flop


Check, check, lead 65, we take a little while and call, fold, fold.

Turn


He bets 80, we call..

River



He swiftly places 160 in the middle and we......?


Little history with him, never seen him take off but he definitely isn't a strong hand reader.
He is sat deeper than I have ever seem him, quiet and classy.

Wwyday???

[SuuPRlim]

what position are we?

[SuuPRlim]

ahhh so we IP. the guy leading the flop has limp/called pf...ok

I'd fold, he's showing quite a lot of strength here in a hand where he started passively and and he doesn't strike me as the type to be lying.

2pair would be a much much tougher fold for me cos you block some sets but with this hand I think im very happy folding it.

Think the whole hand is wp personally, i'd be getting pretty convinced I'm behind on the turn but I'm sure I'd call again.

[jgcblack]

what position are we?

8 handed table,

SB folds pre
Bb calls pre, folds flop
Straddle calls pre, folds flop
Villain
Fold
Us
Fold
Fold

[DMorgan]

I'd expect a competent live 1/2 grinders leading range here to be mostly sets when he limp/calls pre. If he's a little on the splashier side where he might limp UTG with JTs/J9sT9s/T8s/89s/87s type hands then he probably leads those too. We obv block the straights pretty hard and I would expect his pair+draw hands to slow down on the river.

I'd expect his river range to be 2pr+

I'd fold turn, definitely fold river

Edit: I think you can get away with a little bigger pre too, ~£25

[LonOhRay]

Bit bigger pre and would have hard time folding turn, such a small bet.

WP if JCB folded river! - Not sure you did though


Where you playing somewhere in London last night? Didn't see you in Vic or Empire, was in Hippo card room for v short while but didn't see you there

[jgcblack]

ahhh so we IP. the guy leading the flop has limp/called pf...ok

I'd fold, he's showing quite a lot of strength here in a hand where he started passively and and he doesn't strike me as the type to be lying.

2pair would be a much much tougher fold for me cos you block some sets but with this hand I think im very happy folding it.

Think the whole hand is wp personally, i'd be getting pretty convinced I'm behind on the turn but I'm sure I'd call again.

thanks,

My thoughts on each street (im before more 'thats JB style') were...

Pre - gots two pictures, they're the same, raise

FLOP

This guy is the tighter of the four of us, and I've checked a few flops as pfr...
He could have good hands... (top pair, two pairs, pair and gutshot, pair and straightdraw)
He never has a complete bluff
He never has QQ+
I haven't actually played that many hands... Might even look like I have a good hand here
Its hard to make sets
Betting 65 into 85 seems big...

TURN

I have lots of outs vs most of his range, and block the 'nut' hands..
It looks like I have a good hand
9/J are actually good cards, but possibly a A, K, Q might work well for bluffing... (if we decide we think it will be profitable)
80 into 215 is small... But does set up nice size to set me in on river. (fairly sure im the only one on table considering this kind of thing)
Its hard to make sets
People dont often bet into 3 players without initiative and then bet both turn and river with bluffs
I has an overpair
pair the bottom card please


RIVER

Its run out brick, brick and he's still leading...
Doesn't feel like A10
What can I beat?
Why me?
Shame im going to lose money in a really juicy, deep, live cash game.
Something rude from last night, read - brag, brag, brag, brag.
Forgot the little chocolate puddings for gf at work
Have I not folded yet?



:/

[kano]

More pre, probably fold turn but shove sometimes depending on read. Players can turn up with weird stuff in spots like this live.

[Ironside]

does JT and 9T and 89 not make up a chuck of his range?
of course along with sets and 87

[PathFinder]

does JT and 9T and 89 not make up a chuck of his range?
of course along with sets and 87

We have 2 blockers too J10, I feel 109 and 87 take a much more passive line, its not impossible to have those hands but very unlikely

[jgcblack]

does JT and 9T and 89 not make up a chuck of his range?
of course along with sets and 87

We have 2 blockers too J10, I feel 109 and 87 take a much more passive line, its not impossible to have those hands but very unlikely

Purely playing ranges and combinations...

Yes, those hands make up part of his range - how many times does he lead, bet, bet with them?
I would expect all those hands that 'when lead' they would also bet turn, but almost always check river... Agree?

I would expect him to take every combination of two pairs+ and when he decides to lead, I wouldn't expect him to slow down.
I would also expect him to lead 9x sometimes... But its a strange continuation Otr.

[jgcblack]

The gentleman asked me if I would like to see his cards..
I said "I dont mind, up to you"
At which point he proudly tabled the and the table chuckled, then he looked at me and said "see.. I was ahead, wasn't I?"


Sigh.

[SuuPRlim]

Rofl he 100% knows he's bluffing!

I like his play tbh. i think you both played it well, you made a gd fold still i think, yoh're allowed to get bluffed from time to time :-P

[Mondeoman]

Easy to sound wise after you've posted the result but his most likely hand is 10x and im pretty sure he doesn't know hes bluffing and it's a pretty bad bluff imo.  I'd be worried about his flop lead but on the turn he never has a nutted hand - his bet size is way too small, 80 into 210- if he had a big hand he'd bet bigger to get more money in and the board is pretty draw heavy on the turn. Id just call him down on the river again bet sizing is weak, 160 into 370 - i wouldn't even really try to put him on a hand just the size of the pot our absolute hand strength and the fact his bet sizings are quite weak make it a call.

[pleno1]

think i'd just r/call flop, expect to have the best hand most of the time, and when not have 6 outs to win, whilst just winning the pot "there and then" would be an ok/good result too.