Vouching for someone

[The Camel]

When I first got into poker/gambling if you vouched for someone either for a loan or for staking, if they did the dirty on someone you owed the debt.

Personally I would like a return to that system.

It might make people a bit more careful who they give references for and save poor unwitting stakers doing their money in cold blood to a grimmer.

[EvilPie]

As far as I was aware this was the case anyway. It's certainly the way I understand and apply the word but I know many people don't feel the same way.

Personally I'd vouch for a sum total of 1 person on this forum. There's lot's of others I'd trust with my own money and would provide a reference for but I'd never go as far as acting as a guarantor.

I'd definitely like to see it applied properly though but to be honest if someone's providing you with a financial guarantee they should be entitled to a cut the same as with any form of insurance.

[pleno1]

what is a vouch though?


"i vouch for X"

OR

"

tom is v v v good  (in before dubai :D) and v trustworthy. if i could back one player long term for live+online mtts it would most likely be tom.

"

[paulhouk03]

what is a vouch though?


"i vouch for X"

OR

"

tom is v v v good  (in before dubai :D) and v trustworthy. if i could back one player long term for live+online mtts it would most likely be tom.

"

#justavouch #onlypositives  #boughtapiece

[The Camel]

what is a vouch though?


"i vouch for X"

OR

"

tom is v v v good  (in before dubai :D) and v trustworthy. if i could back one player long term for live+online mtts it would most likely be tom.

"

I think any post which encourages others to buy a piece in someone could/can be considered a vouch.

Perhaps it's something that could be incorporated on the staking thread.

Clearly post vouch or reference if you are making a post in support of a staking thread.

[skolsuper]

Personally I'd vouch for a sum total of 1 person on this forum. There's lot's of others I'd trust with my own money and would provide a reference for but I'd never go as far as acting as a guarantor.

logic fail, one of these statements is false.

However, I do agree with this:

I'd definitely like to see it applied properly though but to be honest if someone's providing you with a financial guarantee they should be entitled to a cut the same as with any form of insurance.

 and the general sentiment that a vouch should be a serious business not undertaken lightly.

@pleno: if I were grimmed by someone you vouched for in either of those ways, you'd be getting a call

[youthnkzR]

Think vouches have to be official tbh. E.g. When I was arranging my backing deal my backer asked for references from people - who they then contacted personally. This is voching - just posting a comment like pleno did on toms thread - cnt see this as a vouch - just as a comment from a respected member that its a more safe bet than some.

[RED-DOG]

what is a vouch though?


"i vouch for X"

OR

"

tom is v v v good  (in before dubai :D) and v trustworthy. if i could back one player long term for live+online mtts it would most likely be tom.

"

I think any post which encourages others to buy a piece in someone could/can be considered a vouch.

Perhaps it's something that could be incorporated on the staking thread.

Clearly post vouch or reference if you are making a post in support of a staking thread.

In my world you have to say it, but when you do, it's binding.

"Ill stand for him"

It comes back to me"

"On my word"

"Down to me"

Etc etc...


It works the same if I send someone that you don't know to your place. I am responsible for his actions as if they were my own.

[The Camel]

what is a vouch though?


"i vouch for X"

OR

"

tom is v v v good  (in before dubai :D) and v trustworthy. if i could back one player long term for live+online mtts it would most likely be tom.

"

I think any post which encourages others to buy a piece in someone could/can be considered a vouch.

Perhaps it's something that could be incorporated on the staking thread.

Clearly post vouch or reference if you are making a post in support of a staking thread.

In my world you have to say it, but when you do, it's binding.

"Ill stand for him"

It comes back to me"

"On my word"

"Down to me"

Etc etc...


It works the same if I send someone that you don't know to your place. I am responsible for his actions as if they were my own.

Tom,

If you vouched for someone and they died before they paid back a debt, would you owe in that case too?

Or would his relatives/estate owe?

[pleno1]

fwiw, it would just result in being zero vouches.

theres 20+ people that I would say "this guy is a good guy" and act as a reference, but obviously its just a complete reverse freeroll for the voucher, as who know wtf may happen, ala tom.

[pleno1]

and lets say 10 people back player x, 9 of them would have anyway, but the 10th guy only did it because of the vouch/reference. does this mean the guy saying the "nice words" would then have to pay the other 9 guys who lost out but would have helped out anyway?

[skolsuper]

I'd take zero vouches over a million worthless vouches.

Only just seen that Tom thread, it is a bit out of the blue but that's why people should be careful and vouch with caveats, e.g. "I've only known him 10 months and just over the internet, but he's never knocked me" rather than "he's the most trustworthy guy I could imagine", that is unless he really is the most trustworthy guy you could imagine of course.

As to your '10th guy' question, why not just don't say 'nice words' unless you're sure? And as the total amount being borrowed goes up, be more sure. Finally, you could always say "this isn't a vouch, but I think the guy's trustworthy" and people could put as much or as little faith in that opinion as they like.

[RED-DOG]

what is a vouch though?


"i vouch for X"

OR

"

tom is v v v good  (in before dubai :D) and v trustworthy. if i could back one player long term for live+online mtts it would most likely be tom.

"

I think any post which encourages others to buy a piece in someone could/can be considered a vouch.

Perhaps it's something that could be incorporated on the staking thread.

Clearly post vouch or reference if you are making a post in support of a staking thread.

In my world you have to say it, but when you do, it's binding.

"Ill stand for him"

It comes back to me"

"On my word"

"Down to me"

Etc etc...


It works the same if I send someone that you don't know to your place. I am responsible for his actions as if they were my own.

Tom,

If you vouched for someone and they died before they paid back a debt, would you owe in that case too?

Or would his relatives/estate owe?

I would expect his relatives or estate to pay, but ultimately it would be my debt and if need be, I would honour it.

[EvilPie]

Personally I'd vouch for a sum total of 1 person on this forum. There's lot's of others I'd trust with my own money and would provide a reference for but I'd never go as far as acting as a guarantor.

logic fail, one of these statements is false.

Eh? How do you work that out?

Take yourself as a perfect example of one of these people.

"I'd happily stake James Keys in to something and trust him with with my money."

"I'd never act as a guarantor for James Keys in any kind of staking venture."

Which one of the above statements is false? They both look spot on to me.

[skolsuper]

Personally I'd vouch for a sum total of 1 person on this forum. There's lot's of others I'd trust with my own money and would provide a reference for but I'd never go as far as acting as a guarantor.

logic fail, one of these statements is false.

Eh? How do you work that out?

Take yourself as a perfect example of one of these people.

"I'd happily stake James Keys in to something and trust him with with my money."

"I'd never act as a guarantor for James Keys in any kind of staking venture."

Which one of the above statements is false? They both look spot on to me.

If you wouldn't act as a guarantor, you don't trust me with your money.