Vouching for someone

[TL900]

I have had hundreds of dealings with tons of people including pleno alot of which i dont know involving all different amounts of money with not one discrepency before this including bigger packages/holdings/payouts than this one.

[The Camel]

I guess the difference between now and then is the internet.

In the days I was on the road, I had 3 or 4 really close friends who I travelled with, roomed with and shared financial dealings with.

I would have vouched for any of these guys up to a limit of pretty much my whole bankroll because I was certain (well as certain as I could reasonably be) that this guys were 100% trustworthy and I think they would have done the same for me.

Nowadays poker is so huge and the internet has meant so many players are friendly with each other.

Players often have multiple financial positions with lots of different players, but the simple fact is, they don't really *know* hardly anyone well enough to make a vouch.

Pads made a post which if Tom hadn't fcked up would have been totally forgotten.

But unfortunately he did fck up, so that post looks pretty bad.

I guess what I'm trying to say is be careful what you post, and only say things which you are sure about when recommending you stake someone.

[rfgqqabc]

Fwiw Keith I wouldn't be surprised to see myself post something like pads at some point despite not quite meaning vouch. But there are several people I would/have vouched for and would 100% pay back in the event of an issue. Oldschool still has problems though.

Can you remember the Tmay scandal on 2+2? With the guy not seeing the action and giving the middle finger to the people whose action he cancelled. There were several Tim is a good guy posts at the start of that thread and that turned out horrifically, it is hard to judge people over the long term and in certain situations.

[kano]

Why can I not post on the referenced thread?

[TL900]

Why can I not post on the referenced thread?

Need 300 posts to post in the staking sections

[The Camel]

Fwiw Keith I wouldn't be surprised to see myself post something like pads at some point despite not quite meaning vouch. But there are several people I would/have vouched for and would 100% pay back in the event of an issue. Oldschool still has problems though.

Can you remember the Tmay scandal on 2+2? With the guy not seeing the action and giving the middle finger to the people whose action he cancelled. There were several Tim is a good guy posts at the start of that thread and that turned out horrifically, it is hard to judge people over the long term and in certain situations.

Yeah, I remember the TMay thread well.

Amazing he still has any friends left after that.

Scumbag.

[Laxie]

Why can I not post on the referenced thread?

I think you need 300+ posts to reply in the staking sections of the forum.

[kano]

Ok, I didn't know that.

The first thing Tom should do is send over the hh files/ playing history from that session, to one of the stakers, to corroborate his story.

[TL900]

Ok, I didn't know that.

The first thing Tom should do is send over the hh files/ playing history from that session, to one of the stakers, to corroborate his story.

If you are trying to imply that I have cashed out and rubbed the money on my tittehs then you are absurd but i will happily show cashier histories to prove this. Whole hh's seems a little erratic. Not that this has anything to do with you.

[TL900]

Everyone who invested in me has every right and should be angry at me. People who havent, not so much. Upon the advice of a couple of people I'm gona try and stay off forum as much as possible and not post and try to only speak to investors via PMs.

This will get fixed. Thankyou.

[kano]

I wasn't implying anything, but I would want to be as open with the stakers as you can be. You made a mistake and want to make amends, that is good.

[rfgqqabc]

Fwiw Keith I wouldn't be surprised to see myself post something like pads at some point despite not quite meaning vouch. But there are several people I would/have vouched for and would 100% pay back in the event of an issue. Oldschool still has problems though.

Can you remember the Tmay scandal on 2+2? With the guy not seeing the action and giving the middle finger to the people whose action he cancelled. There were several Tim is a good guy posts at the start of that thread and that turned out horrifically, it is hard to judge people over the long term and in certain situations.

Yeah, I remember the TMay thread well.

Amazing he still has any friends left after that.

Scumbag.

Disgrace, it will only continue whilst these guys are protected/not ousted from the community.

TL, I believe you will and hope you have some luck making this right.

[dreenie]

tbf i hashtagged to monda

#justavouch

but we were playing, anyway lesson learned, will stay v clear in future.

No Way...you dont need to stay clear ...You cannot account for every eventuality  !

Your Comments were well intentioned as are a lot of other peoples on this forum . Unfortunately things have gone wrong this time but as in life these things happen  !!!

As Doobs has  suggested it may be prudent to think about ones choice of words when "vouching" for people but its not your fault Pads   FFS

Disagree Fraser

Pleno saying #justavouch could easily swing someone elses decision to stake (rightly or wrongly)

I actually dont think Pleno formally vouched for him in this instance, but I do think he was a nats piss away from doing so!

I would say it for no-one on here, and its got nothing to do with strength of friendship IMO. I would only vouch if lets say I had a significant investment, but we needed more to make it work and I believed in the guy 100%. Cant see this arising in poker for me

This seems a bit of a contradiction ?

I would happily wish someone the best of luck on here, and say how great a player they were if I knew them/seen them play, more of a 'friendly' thing.

Vouching is a whole different ball game tho. I would happily vouch for The Camel, as although I've only met him twice, we have had large financial dealings, and I just know hand on heart, he would never grim anyone.

He is old school, like a few others on here, ie, Channing, Thewey, Dubai. And lots of young, aspiring successful poker players would do well to learn a few things from these men. Saying that, Toby Lewis, Jake Cody, Lil Dave, Keys, Pleno the list goes on, are all young and they all seem like they know the score when it comes to this sort of stuff.

Don't think it has anything to do with whether you are a 'bad person' or not, or whether you are a 'degenerate gambler. Basically it's knowing that no matter what happens in your life, however angry/upset you are, if you are holding other people's money, u just don't spend it on stuff you shouldn't be, effectively it is stealing, whether you intended it to be that or not, it is stealing.

[Boba Fett]

Pretty absurd thread imo.  People should just take responsibility for their own actions instead of lumping the blame onto someone else.  Id have given the same recommendations for Tom as Pleno did having met him a few times and had smallish financial dealings with him, would I ever have vouched for him to a point where it was on me too? No, but there is nobody on this forum I would vouch for like that.

Im pretty sure anyone ever giving a recommendation on here meant it with the best of intentions and never as a "and if something does happen its on me" type of statement and in an internet forum where the majority of people dont know each other very well or even at all its ridiculous to expect many people to vouch for anyone else in this way.

 Imo, very naive of anyone to expect a recommendation like plenos to be anything as extreme as taking on the financial burden if something happens and if so, where does it end?  If i say someone is a good player and they donk it off in a tourney would I be expected to refund the stakers?  The people that were mugged off by blatch from the beginning, would they be expected to pay back the people who came on board later if his parents hadnt bailed him out?

[dreenie]

Pretty absurd thread imo.  People should just take responsibility for their own actions instead of lumping the blame onto someone else.  Id have given the same recommendations for Tom as Pleno did having met him a few times and had smallish financial dealings with him, would I ever have vouched for him to a point where it was on me too? No, but there is nobody on this forum I would vouch for like that.

Im pretty sure anyone ever giving a recommendation on here meant it with the best of intentions and never as a "and if something does happen its on me" type of statement and in an internet forum where the majority of people dont know each other very well or even at all its ridiculous to expect many people to vouch for anyone else in this way.

 Imo, very naive of anyone to expect a recommendation like plenos to be anything as extreme as taking on the financial burden if something happens and if so, where does it end?  If i say someone is a good player and they donk it off in a tourney would I be expected to refund the stakers?  The people that were mugged off by blatch from the beginning, would they be expected to pay back the people who came on board later if his parents hadnt bailed him out?

Why is it such an absurd thread? - Camel's just starting a thread giving his opinion on something he thinks should be re instated from back in the day, in recent light of what has gone on.

I don't think anyone is blaming Pleno for anything regarding Tom, but even Pleno has said in his recent posts, he will tread more carefully in future in what he says about players. I suspect Pleno just feels bad for ppl, just in the way you would, if u had wrote such high compliments on my staking thread, and then I did the same thing.