Vouching for someone

[SuuPRlim]

pads yu're taking this a bit head on mate, no-one is accusing you of any sort of wrong doing, all you've done is made a lil slip up in terminology and it highlighted something I know a lot of people do as a mistake. When I began gambling and someone asked me to vouch for someone then I took that v seriously, and it meant i was gte'ing the debt. I've provided plenty of character references - people have msgd me saying "have you dealt with X" and I can say yh i have it all went smoothly - BIG DIFFERENCE.

I think just need to be v v careful that's all, like adam says he could easily see himself making the same mistake you did, no1 going to expect a penny from you on blonde cos its a nice community but you'd have people ready to collect of you on  2+2 for defo. Highlighting this mistake now just to stop others making it. No need to post less or take anything personally.

[pleno1]

pads yu're taking this a bit head on mate, no-one is accusing you of any sort of wrong doing, all you've done is made a lil slip up in terminology and it highlighted something I know a lot of people do as a mistake. When I began gambling and someone asked me to vouch for someone then I took that v seriously, and it meant i was gte'ing the debt. I've provided plenty of character references - people have msgd me saying "have you dealt with X" and I can say yh i have it all went smoothly - BIG DIFFERENCE.

I think just need to be v v careful that's all, like adam says he could easily see himself making the same mistake you did, no1 going to expect a penny from you on blonde cos its a nice community but you'd have people ready to collect of you on  2+2 for defo. Highlighting this mistake now just to stop others making it. No need to post less or take anything personally.

yeh and thats what I was trying to say in my post that the community is very different, ofc on 2p2 I would say things extremely different, or if a friend who you guys dont know, lets say imfromsweden then i would for sure insta pm everybody and offer them the $.

[RED-DOG]

If someone vouches, it's still a buyer beware issue.

How much do you trust the person doing the vouching?

How sure are you that his understanding of vouching is the same as yours?

[cambridgealex]

It's definitely an easy mistake to make.

Personally I actually didnt know that saying "I'd vouch for him" meant what Keith etc are saying it does. So I could've easily made the same slip and would've been mortified if I were pads and got this reaction (not this thread I mean even the suggestion that he could be held responsible seemed ridic to me)

To me it meant "yeh he's a good egg, good player, dealt with him a lot in the past, would recommend, is trustworthy imo" etc.

For the people that feel plenos post swayed them into staking - you have put your faith in his opinion / judgement and it's not worked out - you should simply learn fr that for next time. You can't place any blame on pads offering his opinion which pretty sound imo.

And people should definitely not be discouraged from offering opinions on people in the future. It's hugely helpful if a staking thread has such opinions.

For example, whollyflushs thread a few months back - I didn't know him at all either in person or online, but the people that have references were so sound and reliable imo, that I would've been happy to buy based on that. And I certainly wouldn't have considered them responsible had it gone tits up.

The word "vouch" should obviously be more carefully used in the future, as different generations obviously have different understandings of its meaning.

[aaron1867]

Vouching is big for the poker community when money is swapping hands.

Twice I have lent money to people without any vouches when they have caught me after a win and I didn't see that money for months.

The next a guy asks for £200 until next week. Some guy vouches for this guy & the guy in question was looking in every casino to pay me, got paid no problem.

Vouching for people is massive, espcecially in our community, we have all been caught short at times, so definitely a point of you needing to make a rep.

[millidonk]

If I say "I vouch for someone" I am 100% committing myself to paying the full amount owed should anything go wrong, no ifs or buts, my name, reputation and sometimes even more is at stake. I am the guarantor on my best mate's loan, being the guarantor for that is in no different to me simply saying "I vouch for him" to someone, obv this was a decision I did not take lightly and I don't think a #justvouching is suffice..

I think a lot of the gambling world life lessons are missed when you go directly from playing poker behind a computer screen to hitting in casinos gambling with the old timers. Ignorance is not bliss though..

[LonOhRay]

Doesn't mean what it used to mean, don't think I've ever used the word, at least not with something I couldn't repay - a win in a Scoop for example.

Younger population of players see it used (just like heroes, legends, so sick, etc etc exaggerated) and of course use it with increasing frequency meaning of "I vouch for this guy" - I guarantee his poker abilities are great and this is a profitable investment. As opposed to - I will cover this mans debt, I have the ability to do so and  I trust him so.


Nobody uses the word vouch to increase action or miss lead others imo.

And as it's use is so widespread on 2+2 and every other forums where there are disputes everyday it's true meaning is lost and unlikely to come back.

[Doobs]

Doesn't mean what it used to mean, don't think I've ever used the word, at least not with something I couldn't repay - a win in a Scoop for example.

Younger population of players see it used (just like heroes, legends, so sick, etc etc exaggerated) and of course use it with increasing frequency meaning of "I vouch for this guy" - I guarantee his poker abilities are great and this is a profitable investment. As opposed to - I will cover this mans debt, I have the ability to do so and  I trust him so.


Nobody uses the word vouch to increase action or miss lead others imo.

And as it's use is so widespread on 2+2 and every other forums where there are disputes everyday it's true meaning is lost and unlikely to come back.

Can we put this to bed?

The word has several meanings, and not one true meaning.  One person could be vouching for his character, another could be vouching for his trustworthiness, another for the debt.  All could be using the word correctly.

I am from Camel's generation.

[mulhuzz]

Doesn't mean what it used to mean, don't think I've ever used the word, at least not with something I couldn't repay - a win in a Scoop for example.

Younger population of players see it used (just like heroes, legends, so sick, etc etc exaggerated) and of course use it with increasing frequency meaning of "I vouch for this guy" - I guarantee his poker abilities are great and this is a profitable investment. As opposed to - I will cover this mans debt, I have the ability to do so and  I trust him so.


Nobody uses the word vouch to increase action or miss lead others imo.

And as it's use is so widespread on 2+2 and every other forums where there are disputes everyday it's true meaning is lost and unlikely to come back.

Can we put this to bed?

The word has several meanings, and not one true meaning.  One person could be vouching for his character, another could be vouching for his trustworthiness, another for the debt.  All could be using the word correctly.

this fwiw.

for example, i would 100% in a heartbeat do the oldschool vouch for pleno for pretty much anything up to my entire net worth.

this doesn't mean I can afford to pay out $200k+ if he won $some_tournament and didn't pay up immediately or whatever.

Tbh, I think people need to be more adult about 'needing' a vouch in the old school sense -- if it's not right without a guarantor (for more than the initial amount -- I know, this means there's a small % freeroll chance) then don't do it in general -- build risk into the portfolio in total, not on a case by case basis if what I'm saying, I guess.

You get as much information as you can and you try and make good decisions - do that and you don't need this debate. Why? Because I'm equally as unable (as the voucher) to see into the future as anyone else.