Non premium staking?

[Woodsey]

Seems to have disappeared? Why does everyone seem to thing they are worth more than others?

I have lost my bollocks on staking threads over the years, I take it as a punt and nothing else, but have stopped staking as a result of premiums.

Is it because the stakee's have enough mugs willing to punt? I'm guessing so.......

Maybe its time we should start to say no to premiums? Just throwing it out there... 

[tight4better]

I always have/will sold at 1.0, can't see it changing really unless I turn into phil Ivey overnight and win the lot everywhere I go.

[tight4better]

Fwiw I don't mind people selling for a premium rate, you're paying for a service after all. Some are worth more than others, that's why it's your choice whether to buy or not

[pleno1]

Don't see the problem.

You want to invest in somebody, you invest. You don't, you don't.

[Longy]

Don't see the problem.

You want to invest in somebody, you invest. You don't, you don't.

This.

As long as terms are stated clearly it is the buyers choice.

[BulldozerD]

There are plenty worse players selling for a much higher mark up elsewhere and there are plenty of stakes at 1.0 on here. Although i think some of the mark-ups are too steep for some of the bigger stuff and i steer clear of the auction stuff, the "market" seems pretty fair all-in-all on here.

[pleno1]

[06/05/2013 19:17:56] mannyol: can i ask why so low mu and why not on 2+2
[06/05/2013 19:18:04] mannyol: on 2+2 u cna get away with higher
[06/05/2013 19:18:06] Patrick Leonard: I always sell on blonde


as bulldozer said, the market here is actually really fair compared to some packages elsewhere, facebook included.

Almost every thread sells out, even the ones at 1.5 or something, however when a thread doesn't represent good value, it doesn't usually sell out, which we also see semi often too.

[aaron1867]

Some people are taking the piss still. Although hat off to those who offer decent rate and I'm happy to punt it in

1 - rounding up. Add on extra marks to the mark up to round up

2 - auctions. Trying to get every last penny they can out of the community.

10 years from now when we say the game has moved on again, what will the mu's be?

[outragous76]

Woodsey, the arsene wenger of staking threads. *smileyface*

[PathFinder]

It's simply supply and demand.

Hate the game not the playa

Word

[RED-DOG]

Same old thread. It's been done to death. The answer will always be the same.

Don't see the problem.

You want to invest in somebody, you invest. You don't, you don't.

[cambridgealex]

Same old thread. It's been done to death. The answer will always be the same.

Don't see the problem.

You want to invest in somebody, you invest. You don't, you don't.

This, obviously.

Maybe its time we should start to say no to premiums? Just throwing it out there... 

Ridiculous suggestion if serious.

[Marky147]

You can say no to premiums Woodsey, but for non premiums you'll have to wait until Matt goes on the piss again, or until I head over to Vegas

[fizix87]

Markup is something that I think is somewhat misunderstood at times by some people, in that the value of a staking proposition is not absolute based on markup is some people seem to suggest/imply, different tournaments have very different attainable ROIs due to factors such as field strength, structure, etc. This is not a blonde specific issue although you definitely see it manifest here (anyone who ever dealt with the huge Russian staking funds on 2p2 will remember that they had some strange ideas about appropriate markups)

The WSOP Main Event always provides the best example of this, the nature of that tournament (incredible structure, field filled with recreational players, huge potential returns) means that realistic ROIs for good players in that tournament are far higher than many people understand, this means when good players sell the ME at 1.5/1.6, they are often providing a far better deal to investors than will often be provided when the same player sells a tough online 1k at 1.1 and yet many people will dismiss the former out of hand because the markup is 'too high' based on this strangely prevalent ideal that all markups should be within a very narrow range.

Why does this matter? I think that basically people are misunderstanding the issue when they say something like 'markups are too high', the real problem is markups are often being charged with little thought as too the relative value of the tournaments being played and also, frankly with little regard to the skill differences between the players charging the markups and how this with impact prospective ROIs.

[cambridgealex]

Yeh there's wayyy too much "1.2 good 1.5 bad" sort of thinking on blonde.