Guess Ivey wants his dough...

[Marky147]

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2013/05/breaking-news-phil-ivey-suing-crockfords-casino-for-7-8m-14945.htm

[mulhuzz]

it's long since known that gambling debts are unenforceable.

good luck to him, but he'll never win. best hope is they pay out to avoid court.

[StuartHopkin]

it's long since known that gambling debts are unenforceable.

good luck to him, but he'll never win. best hope is they pay out to avoid court.

You are joking right?

Gambling debts are completely enforceable as long as the transaction that caused them was legal.

[smurf]

I remember reading about this last year...they basically accused him of cheating but after interrogating staff and going through CCTV could find no evidence if I recall.

pretty sure if he had a receipt and they have no proof he was doing anything wrong they would be foolish to go to court...how bad will the publicity become if a casino is seen to refuse to pay out winnings with no evidence of wrong doing...could be very bad for Genting.

although of course there could be far more to this story than we are being told.

[Tal]

it's long since known that gambling debts are unenforceable.

good luck to him, but he'll never win. best hope is they pay out to avoid court.

You are joking right?

Gambling debts are completely enforceable as long as the transaction that caused them was legal.

Yeah I've been hauled up for this on these threads before. Last Labour Government made them enforceable.

[mulhuzz]

it's long since known that gambling debts are unenforceable.

good luck to him, but he'll never win. best hope is they pay out to avoid court.

You are joking right?

Gambling debts are completely enforceable as long as the transaction that caused them was legal.

Yeah I've been hauled up for this on these threads before. Last Labour Government made them enforceable.

*ahem* that'll be why I'm a lapsed lawyer then not an actual one. oops. apologies.

[kinboshi]

it's long since known that gambling debts are unenforceable.

good luck to him, but he'll never win. best hope is they pay out to avoid court.

You are joking right?

Gambling debts are completely enforceable as long as the transaction that caused them was legal.

Yeah I've been hauled up for this on these threads before. Last Labour Government made them enforceable.

I can vouch for that.

[Sausage]

No wonder he is so good at poker, he can read the back of cards. Live cards are rigged like online I quit this game.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2323122/Gambler-won-7-8m-reading-cards-How-tiny-flaw-deck-design-given-poker-star-upper-hand.html

[MPOWER]

Crockfords Casino point of view.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/crockfords-casino-hits-back-in-77m-fight-over-winnings-with-top-gambler-phil-ivey-8626545.html

Regards

M
 

[Cf]

Even if Ivey had noticed the flaw and taken advantage... so what? Casinos fault for putting on the game surely.

Unless they're about to contact everyone who had played and lost when there were imperfect cards and offer them refunds then I don't see how they've got a leg to stand on.

[avillan]

Even if Ivey had noticed the flaw and taken advantage... so what? Casinos fault for putting on the game surely.

Unless they're about to contact everyone who had played and lost when there were imperfect cards and offer them refunds then I don't see how they've got a leg to stand on.

^^^^+1

[doubleup]

Even if Ivey had noticed the flaw and taken advantage... so what? Casinos fault for putting on the game surely.

Unless they're about to contact everyone who had played and lost when there were imperfect cards and offer them refunds then I don't see how they've got a leg to stand on.

lol he allegedly manipulated the cards to take advantage of the design flaw.  In the Gambling Act cheating is described as

....cheating at gambling may, in particular, consist of actual or attempted deception or interference in connection with—

(a)the process by which gambling is conducted, or

(b)a real or virtual game, race or other event or process to which gambling relates.

thats pretty wide but could very arguably include what Ivey is accused of.

If the casino's story is to be believed he is certainly a cheat and doesn't deserve a penny.

[snoopy1239]

Even if Ivey had noticed the flaw and taken advantage... so what? Casinos fault for putting on the game surely.

Unless they're about to contact everyone who had played and lost when there were imperfect cards and offer them refunds then I don't see how they've got a leg to stand on.

True, they should pay up for this reason. I still question Ivey's morals though. It's pretty close to stealing.

[Cf]

Even if Ivey had noticed the flaw and taken advantage... so what? Casinos fault for putting on the game surely.

Unless they're about to contact everyone who had played and lost when there were imperfect cards and offer them refunds then I don't see how they've got a leg to stand on.

True, they should pay up for this reason. I still question Ivey's morals though. It's pretty close to stealing.

More so than when a bad player sits down in a cash game?

As far as I can tell the casino were offering him a game where he had an edge (if all this is true of course) and he took it.

[doubleup]

Even if Ivey had noticed the flaw and taken advantage... so what? Casinos fault for putting on the game surely.

Unless they're about to contact everyone who had played and lost when there were imperfect cards and offer them refunds then I don't see how they've got a leg to stand on.

True, they should pay up for this reason. I still question Ivey's morals though. It's pretty close to stealing.

Sorry could either of you explain a) who should get refunds and b) why should they get refunds?