strange line, what now?

[jgcblack]

Live £1/2 table with a £5 straddle, London.

Player 1 opens to £40 over a normal blinds plus £5 straddle, with only a fold in front of him.  He is a weak hand reader, sat 500deep and seems to overestimate hand strength, but has never made such a huge raise with either value or bluff.

Player 2 is a weak, passive, fit or fold player who peels too much pre and flop - calls the £40 quickly from 350-400.

We find the button and x hand, we note the loose-ish player in the big blind sat very deep (covers all) and another weak, passive player in straddle, expecting our hand to go 4 or 5 way to the flop over 90%.
We call.

SB folds, BB tank folds (hmmm :[ ) and straddle snap folds...

FLOP


Check, check...  We bet 65> 128.... Call, call.

TURN


Open shove for 'pot', tank fold... We??

What do we do with these hands:
- 10, 10
- AA
- J10hh/ cc
- Qxhh/ cc
- A10o (with or without nfd blocker)

And why???

We cover him by £15 or something silly.. Only thing we know is he over estimates hand strength
(I.e. Lead/ shoved 89o on 679 vs pfr for a lot of cheeseburgers)

[tight4better]

What do we do with these hands:
- 10, 10
- AA
- J10hh/ cc
- Qxhh/ cc
- A10o (with or without nfd blocker)

1. Call
2. 3b/call pre especially vs "weak peely players", puke now, prob fold.
3. Prob fold pre, call now.
4. Fold pre, not sure, prob call now if we're calling with  .
5. Fold pre.

[rfgqqabc]

What do we do with these hands:
- 10, 10
- AA
- J10hh/ cc
- Qxhh/ cc
- A10o (with or without nfd blocker)

1. Call
2. Call
3. Call
4. Fold
5. Shoot myself for preflop.

Would be folding a decent amount pre, feels like 66-JJ with some weird stuff like KJhh KQcc thrown in. Calling with ATo would be really bad

[jgcblack]

What do we do with these hands:
- 10, 10
- AA
- J10hh/ cc
- Qxhh/ cc
- A10o (with or without nfd blocker)

1. Call
2. Call
3. Call
4. Fold
5. Shoot myself for preflop.

Would be folding a decent amount pre, feels like 66-JJ with some weird stuff like KJhh KQcc thrown in. Calling with ATo would be really bad

Why................?

[rfgqqabc]

We have AT which doesn't play well against his range here and we cut ourselves lots/put ourselves in a spot to make a mistake.

I think I'm folding the JTs now despite all the outs and AA as well I think, I don't see how it is a bluff with action as described and don't think we have equity to call, JTcc/hh have so many outs maybe we cant fold.

[gouty]

Strange line?

Surely AA is a near impossible line? You can only have tj h  to get here?

Call now and muck or scoop.

[theprawnidentity]

I don't think I have a flatting range pre flop for what is effectively a 20bb open, and if I do have one, its massively polarised.

[jgcblack]

Strange line?

Surely AA is a near impossible line? You can only have tj h  to get here?

Call now and muck or scoop.

Not sure I would ever 3b AA pre here..

The guy is going to be super polarised and we have all thegood cards, player 2 always has weak hands and can stack off on a lot of boards..
Only reasons would be a tiny 3bt to ensure hu/ 3way/ induce blowups...
(think they just fold their entire range too much tho when they overbet, and we raise)


The AA could get here, bet flop to get wide range to call, on turn - second FD appears and he turns aggro...?? One liner good for bluffing?

Think the JT/ Qx fd's just have too many 'nut outs' to fold getting 2-1


Other than that, agree A10 fold now.
Possibly agree pre, however not going to be dominated enough imo and its probably the 'line'.

10's is a proper fml as we has all the good cards...
don't think we can fold but no blockers to combo draws etc, kinda sucks.

Other than that...

Guess which player I am, which hand we have.......?

[gouty]

Sorry. Lost now.

I will read again in morning when sober.

[rfgqqabc]

Player 2 hand 1 and folded.

[dreenie]

Sorry. Lost now.

I will read again in morning when sober.

loooooooooool

[dreenie]

Strange line?

Surely AA is a near impossible line? You can only have tj h  to get here?

Call now and muck or scoop.

Not sure I would ever 3b AA pre here..

The guy is going to be super polarised and we have all thegood cards, player 2 always has weak hands and can stack off on a lot of boards..
Only reasons would be a tiny 3bt to ensure hu/ 3way/ induce blowups...
(think they just fold their entire range too much tho when they overbet, and we raise)


The AA could get here, bet flop to get wide range to call, on turn - second FD appears and he turns aggro...?? One liner good for bluffing?

Think the JT/ Qx fd's just have too many 'nut outs' to fold getting 2-1


Other than that, agree A10 fold now.
Possibly agree pre, however not going to be dominated enough imo and its probably the 'line'.

10's is a proper fml as we has all the good cards...
don't think we can fold but no blockers to combo draws etc, kinda sucks.

Other than that...

Guess which player I am, which hand we have.......?

You are on the button, so player 3?

You called pre flop with A10, and snapped the turn, fist pumped when they turned over J 10 , because the river was the  .

You scooped all the moniez.

[outragous76]

Strange line?

Surely AA is a near impossible line? You can only have tj h  to get here?

Call now and muck or scoop.

Not sure I would ever 3b AA pre here..

Not wanting to derail but

Given the opening raise size, the caller and the fact we have an "obvious squeeze spot" on button, not raising AA pre in live poker is a disaster

playing Qxhh this way and AT pre (an flop) isnt great

So left with TT and JThh, I call TT,  and dwell die a little with JThh

[AlexMartin]

fold
3b
fold
fold
fold

[pleno1]

Ya not 3betting aa would be horrific.

It's live, they will peel.

Come on John don't go back there!

#wehavethenuts #theyhatefolding #trapcallgo4ways