strange line, what now?

[jgcblack]

Ya not 3betting aa would be horrific.

It's live, they will peel.

Come on John don't go back there!

#wehavethenuts #theyhatefolding #trapcallgo4ways

Ok, ok.. We didnt have A10/ AA.

Would've min3bt AA probably, just ISO the two weaker players.

So were left with the other hands..

How do we think they play vs a range that is aggro pre, passive flop, aggro turn...??

Getting 2-1, can we fold? Should we?

[pleno1]

Equilab/end thread?

[outragous76]

Did you not think the open was a touch on the big side?

It strikes me of a 99-JJ AQ AK type hand pre

if you can keep his range nice and narrow the decision should be easy enough.

Doubt im ever folding TT, but the JThh hand would warrant some maths I think

[edgascoigne]

Not 3betting AA pre and even bothering considering what to do with TT now both make my head asplode.

Obv we never get to this point with AT/Qx sooted.

If we've somehow got here with JT sooted (which we shouldn't have done) then do the maths, yes?

[cambridgealex]

Not 3betting AA pre and even bothering considering what to do with TT now both make my head asplode.

Obv we never get to this point with AT/Qx sooted.

If we've somehow got here with JT sooted (which we shouldn't have done) then do the maths, yes?

this.

sorry john but this is another case you making an easy spot tough for no good reason.

Also FYI, if somebody is polarised, it doesn't mean they only ever have a really strong hand. A few ppl misusing the term itt.

[jgcblack]

Not 3betting AA pre and even bothering considering what to do with TT now both make my head asplode.

Obv we never get to this point with AT/Qx sooted.

If we've somehow got here with JT sooted (which we shouldn't have done) then do the maths, yes?

this.

sorry john but this is another case you making an easy spot tough for no good reason.

Also FYI, if somebody is polarised, it doesn't mean they only ever have a really strong hand. A few ppl misusing the term itt.

Leta recap on the hand. As I haven't made anything more or less complex imo.

We're on the button, with a weak player sitting deep opening to 2.5-3x bigger than normal, called by another weak player.

We have a loose deepstacked player oop in BB and a really passive weak player in straddle.
Expecting them to come along, a lot - and to rarely get squeezed (essential imo)

We then see a dripping wet flop and are checked too, three ways.

We either have top set, tp+oesd+bkdrfd/ tp+oesd+FD or a gutterball+ over+FD.

We bet for value with all 3 otf, called in two spots.

We then get shoved on when a one liner appears and the massive preflop raiser is the one using the shovel on the chips.



So does he have just QJ only?
7x?

Value hands?

Maths of housing up, hitting big draws vs made hands?

[cambridgealex]

He has Jx (AJ or JJ) or sometimes QJ.

Yes it's just a maths thing vs that range with whatever you've got.

edit: misread board thought it was 789T, point still stands sort of though

[Pinchop73]

Just tell us what kitchens you peeled with vs a utg+1 8x open bud.

p.s. no we should not call it off with a fd as we'd have less equity than we need vs pot odds.

[edgascoigne]

Just tell us what kitchens you peeled with vs a utg+1 8x open bud.

p.s. no we should not call it off with a fd as we'd have less equity than we need vs pot odds.

Unsure if this is lolautocorrect or a brilliant term of which I have been hitherto unaware, but I like it whatever its roots.

[pleno1]

Ha no its famous termInology.

<3 kitchens

[jgcblack]

Ha no its famous termInology.

<3 kitchens

Purely for Nathans butchery of the English language I will open we have


Now what???

[jgcblack]

Also, first impression is i would be happier with
calling than 1010 purely because it plays better vs the range in my head.

Thoughts?

[cambridgealex]

Confirmed misread the board 

[mulhuzz]

this raise size is always 99-JJ btw. like, literally always.

so I think you have some maths to do.

[jgcblack]

this raise size is always 99-JJ btw. like, literally always.

so I think you have some maths to do.

I have had someone else say this exact thing...

That's the raise size pre, granted, but now he's done something postflop that doesn't match up with this holding...
When have you seen a weak player check a set/ JJ on this board as pfr when oop.

#doesntaddupbro