Two live £2/5 spots

[The Squid]

Hand 1 jam river.

Hand 2 just call and fold to further river action.

[SuuPRlim]

mmmm i think im missing something in hand 2. What does everyone have? the shorter stack surely doesnt have AQ/QT/KK/JJ ? So that's 44, KJ?

The other guy, TT, KK, JJ, AQ - alll very possible but way weaker hands as well, he'snot folding AK here is he?

Not loving it but I wouldn't fold.

The reason I would 4b and not do anything else in the JJ hand is because the hand actually plays badly post-flop, you'll be bluff-catching/guessing most of the time on most run-outs and your kicking off your session with this player weakly, 4betting sets a strong precedent, we're miles ahead of his 3betting range + by the time we've 4bet we'll be getting enough of a price to just go with it imo.

I think it's a common mistake people make not to 3 or 4 bet hands that are ahead of an opposition range but would play kinda meh vs a 4 or 5 bet, this is ok when you have a hand that plays nicely down the streets like KQs/AQs etc but most of the time people are just a bit scared of having to get 200bb in with JJ without some chunnky history - it's not always easy, sometimes you have to take more marginal spots cant just get set vs top pair in every time.

[Mondeoman]

Hand 1 4 bet because when they fold its good and when they call its good.  Kind of a bit tricky when they 5 bet but still not going to be terrible getting it in, also you can peel depending on sizings if they 5 bet and play the hand in posiiton.  Problem with cold calling a 3 bet is everybody puts you 99/1010/JJ.

Hand 2 fold, not loving life when the fish shoves let alone when a competent player over calls.

Yep, should def have 4 bet Hand 1. As played....at what point do we fold, if at all?

Hand 2, agree.

Cheers

The whole problem with hand 1 is the pre flop action.  Basically you have no real idea what opponent has pre where as because you cold flatted pre he can put you pretty accurately on the hand you have.
I'd say he either has some middling King most of the time and is trying to get value versus a middle pocket pair - it's not totally out of the question that he has a bluff by the river but i doubt you are good that often.  I'm prob calling flop then folding turn or river most of the time i think.  As for jamming the river in theory it's good  because villain rarely has a super strong hand but in practice I find a lot of players just flick it in with any kx hand.