Strange Dtd 1/1 hand.

[adiman999]

So we are playing 1/1 at DTD, I have about £300, villain has about £180.

Early middle position raises to £4, gets 2 callers then villain in question flicks in the call. The button also calls and im in the SB and we have a look at , and make it £26. Everyone folds except the villain who throws in the call. My experience with the villain is minimal, only about 20 mins on the table with him and haven't seen anything out of the ordinary from him in that time. I have seen him around a few times before though but  wouldn't say he is a reg.

The flop comes down , I bet £36 and villain tanks for a while and calls. Turn comes , check check. River comes , I check and villain shoves for ~£110. Our move?

ps Villain was giving me a very intense stare down the whole time i tanked.

Adrian

[The Camel]

Fold?

[Derbylad]

Please explain your decision behind your 3 bet pre..... that is all.

[corkeye]

Yeah pf makes zero sense to me. If you want to see a flop, Complete pre only with yr holding.

[adiman999]

Please explain your decision behind your 3 bet pre..... that is all.

I just want to take the pot down then and there. There is £23 in the middle, im putting £25 out there to win that. If I dont take it down pre (which i will enough of the time anyway) I will hopefully be heads up with one of the overcallers who never has me dominated. Then il take it down a lot of the time on the flop anyway.

Im obv not playing the strength of my hand here but i think its a profitable squeeze pre. Feel free to disagree though

[Derbylad]

Please explain your decision behind your 3 bet pre..... that is all.

I just want to take the pot down then and there. There is £23 in the middle, im putting £25 out there to win that. If I dont take it down pre (which i will enough of the time anyway) I will hopefully be heads up with one of the overcallers who never has me dominated. Then il take it down a lot of the time on the flop anyway.

Im obv not playing the strength of my hand here but i think its a profitable squeeze pre. Feel free to disagree though

What's our table image / There's also no mention of the rest of the villains stack sizes??
There's £22 in there pre flop. We hold a somewhat garbage hand in the SB and are out of position.

Our line should never solely be i see money in the middle, let's take it down now, with a hand that plays badly postflop and one that we have to snap fold to a 4 bet, but i can see your thought process for why this squeeze would work pre.

Unless we have some kind of incredible skills of determination 3 betting into 5 people with that hand is definitely not on the list of things to do at a 1/1 game at DTD.
This isn't high stakes poker, we don't need to level our opponents, and seeing as in the OP there is no explanation on the tendencies of the other players at the table it seems we don't have a great evaluation at this time of how best to make money off each of our opponents.

Granted your thought process may well be right for any of the over callers and a CBet on most flops to a peel will likely take it down. I'm not trying to say this is a terrible play, a lot of the time it may work, however in this kind of game we have a tonne of better spots to make money from our opponents so just flat call and see a flop or fold it, order a tea and put your earphones back in.

[adiman999]

I totally agree, this play in a vacuum at dtd isnt a good one, but at the time with the dynamic at the table it felt like I would take it down pre. As is I get the one caller, but its more the villains shove on the river that I would like thoughts on.

[BorntoBubble]

Flat pre. No need to 3 bet really ever her would defo for me be Flat>fold>3 bet here.

Dont see the need to call on the river.

If in some hypothetical world i had 3 bet pre i personally would make it like £24-£30 on the flop then like £56 on the turn. Basically im going for it if ive 3 bet and cbet.

[adiman999]

I checked the turn because he will fire so much of his air on the river, I had the intentions of snapping off a bet on the river until he jammed, that made me think.

[muckthenuts]

Yeah though i kind of understand your rationale for 3betting as you can see you're in a sticky spot now. Long term it's just not gonna be pretty holding K6 postflop when you get callers which will happen most of the time at 1/1. It'd be better from button, but just fold pre. Flatting would be bad pre also.

[cambridgealex]

I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't 3bet here a decent amount of the time in a £1/1 game.

But it's SO dependant on who's in the pot so without seeing their faces I can't say. Also I don't know how people perceive you or play vs you.

Some people like to try and whack me and outplay me, some people are scared and fold loads.

This could be terrible, it could be absolutely fine and a really nice spot. Can't really say for certain, so imo, innocent until proven guilty so we'll let it slide

WTF is he supposed to have on the river?!

Can you describe villains appearance?

In my experience the best thing to do in these situations in 1/1 games is to say "I have no idea what you have or why you have played it like this, but you're not bluffing so I'm folding".

[redarmi]

I think you are just getting way too deep here.   Alex's last line is the best one.  He isn't just randomly bluffing here more than a tiny percentage of the time and his vakue range totally crushes you.  It is a trivial fold.

[adiman999]

I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't 3bet here a decent amount of the time in a £1/1 game.

But it's SO dependant on who's in the pot so without seeing their faces I can't say. Also I don't know how people perceive you or play vs you.

Some people like to try and whack me and outplay me, some people are scared and fold loads.

This could be terrible, it could be absolutely fine and a really nice spot. Can't really say for certain, so imo, innocent until proven guilty so we'll let it slide

WTF is he supposed to have on the river?!

Can you describe villains appearance?

In my experience the best thing to do in these situations in 1/1 games is to say "I have no idea what you have or why you have played it like this, but you're not bluffing so I'm folding".

Pretty big guy, dark skin, bit of a beard going on. Was wearing a dark beanie hat and a beige hoody. Had Beats Studio headphones on.

[adiman999]

I had similar thoughts, I had no clue at all what the guy could be trying to rep here. His line makes no sense to me really, except maybe floating the flop with AJ, hitting his jack on the river and shipping. I felt the way he had played the hand his range was strongly weighted towards bluffs, but I tend to think that a lot if their line seems strange to me

[cambridgealex]

Sounds like Ian Turner. Meh, fold?