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« on: May 13, 2013, 11:50:33 PM »

i been ridicuously out of line, but lots of huge hands lol

different opinions on this, somebody nail it pls

villains on left are relativelz aggro, sb is passive.

PokerStars Hand #98539097324: Tournament #2013050052, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (500/1000) - 2013/05/14 0:32:53 CET [2013/05/13 18:32:53 ET]
Table '2013050052 171' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: elmelogno4 (5089 in chips)
Seat 2: 22illuminati (25748 in chips)
Seat 3: NeverMoreCD (1915 in chips)
Seat 4: RikardPM (14263 in chips)
Seat 5: BEGEMOTIK3 (15354 in chips)
Seat 6: pads1161 (17901 in chips)
Seat 7: aricontre (24601 in chips)
Seat 8: STEROIDhulk (36854 in chips)
Seat 9: woodatburn (23260 in chips)
elmelogno4: posts the ante 125
22illuminati: posts the ante 125
NeverMoreCD: posts the ante 125
RikardPM: posts the ante 125
BEGEMOTIK3: posts the ante 125
pads1161: posts the ante 125
aricontre: posts the ante 125
STEROIDhulk: posts the ante 125
woodatburn: posts the ante 125
woodatburn: posts small blind 500
elmelogno4: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pads1161 [ ]
22illuminati: folds
NeverMoreCD: folds
RikardPM: folds
BEGEMOTIK3: folds
pads1161: raises 1000 to 2000
aricontre: folds
STEROIDhulk: folds
woodatburn: folds
elmelogno4: folds
Uncalled bet (1000) returned to pads1161
pads1161 collected 3625 from pot
pads1161: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3625 | Rake 0
Seat 1: elmelogno4 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: 22illuminati folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: NeverMoreCD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: RikardPM folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: BEGEMOTIK3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: pads1161 collected (3625)
Seat 7: aricontre folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: STEROIDhulk (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: woodatburn (small blind) folded before Flop
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of  fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2013, 11:58:19 PM »

r/f anyone who 3b's small r/c any jam
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2013, 01:23:36 AM »

r/f anyone who 3b's small r/c any jam
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2013, 01:49:19 AM »

adam picken to the thread.
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Worst playcalling I have ever seen. Bunch of  fucking jokers . Run the bloody ball. 18 rushes all game? You have to be kidding me. Fuck off lol
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2013, 01:56:09 AM »

adam picken to the thread.
Reporting for duty.

I just cram here. r/f or r/c adds a bunch of variance surely?

I don't play 109 turbos though.

Feasible to build a decision tree that allows us to see exact merits of all options? Having r/f as an option might cause problems?
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2013, 02:14:25 AM »

Its a turbo, hard to hide from variance, getting people to rejam worst broadways we dominate that they can't call with is alot better outcome imo. We want to make their range as wide as possible when we jam people can play pretty perfectly nowadays.

Also, it can have the opposite effect on some people, someone sees us opening an 18bb stack and doesn't put in AJ/88 cuz they think we have a super nutted range whereas they might call if we jam, people react to it differently.

No-one is going to 3b/f here with the stacks the way they are and they aren't going to 3b/c KJs so you can comfortably r/f to any small 3b's cuz they will near always have you dominated but when people jam they can have all the suited broadways we dominate some middle pairs to go along with the stuff that dominates us.

If someone peels, we got KQ flops awesome not too bothered about someone roflpeeling. Would give them a quick search though to see if im getting trapped or not. We can check/fold every single flop if someone peels and the play is still profitable people just aren't playing back enough.
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2013, 02:32:11 PM »

I personally just Jam here and make them fold A10 and some pocket pairs. I would prefer to raise/call with JJ+ AJ+

TBF tho KQ is very close to both available options
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2013, 02:50:06 PM »

I personally just Jam here and make them fold A10 and some pocket pairs.

Do people really fold AT to this jam though?
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2013, 03:24:01 PM »

I personally just Jam here and make them fold A10 and some pocket pairs.

Do people really fold AT to this jam though?

 
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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2013, 04:04:47 PM »

The only way you get it in vs worse is to r/c.
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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2013, 12:45:31 PM »

r/f anyone who 3b's small r/c any jam

this is possibly better than my plan just to jam

reason you're getting differing opinions imo is that it's very close, so as long as you don't fold, nothing's too horrible
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