another ruling thread

[swinebag22]

casino tournament

folds to seat 5 who limps in

seat 9 announces (albeit quietly) "raise" cuts out the call and the raise and (foolishly maybe) puts the call in first then the raise.

seat 5 (wants to see a flop i guess) then protests this is a call only due to the string bet. Seat 9 says that he announced "raise" so it doesn't matter how the chips went in. Seat 5 says that he didn't hear him. I am in seat 10 and heard seat 9 perfectly and tell the dealer as much.

Dealer then says that because he never heard seat 9 then it should be a call and is judged so. I look down at KK, throw my raise in and everyone folds. The incident is forgotten as seat 9 feels he got off light.

I was a bit miffed as:

1. I missed out on winning a bigger pot,  but more importantly..
2. My attempt to preserve the integrity of the game was ignored (@the trolls - no I hadn't looked at KK first )

So the question are:


"Can the dealer make this ruling based on his own poor hearing?"

"Is the dealer allowed to act on advice from players?"

FWIW - I told seat 9 to call the floor if the dealer made that ruling again

[jgcblack]

Dealer has to hear it...

however I have seen it where two or three people have convinced them that the raiser did verbally announce it.

if just you heard it then its tough unfortunately, you raise and dont lose a pot with KK.

next hand pls.

[wazz]

I'd imagine there is a specific rule about the number of people at the table to have heard someone announce his move. If you can just have one other guy claim to have heard the play, it's open to angles. It's the players responsibility to make himself heard or make it clear what he wants to do with his physical actions.

[Tal]

The dealer must be satisfied that a raise has been made. This is either by hearing "raise", seeing a raise-worthy amount of chips cross the line or - as jgcb says - being convinced by those around that raise was announced.

Only the dealer matters. If nine people shout "he said raise!!", the dealer can choose to decide otherwise.

You were just unlucky in this case.

Here's a hypothetical:

Same situation.

Folded to seat 5 who limps. Folded to seat 9 who says "raise", throwing the calling chips over the line. It's noisy and no one hears him, apart from the dealer (perhaps he's the only one not rocking dem Dr Dre Beats?). Folded round to you, quickly, while Seat 9 is fiddling with his chips.

You have the KKKKowboys and bet 3xBB.

After being informed that the player in seat 9 is yet to declare his raise, you are escorted from your seat for a one round penalty for acting out of turn.

[JK]

What Tal/Johnnyboy said basically. Dealer has to hear it.

[swinebag22]

Thanks for the replies

next time, I'll tell seat nine to speak up/get a megaphone or just put the full amount in if he doesn't want to stretch his voice

[wazz]

I'm generally a person who will speak up during a hand if I think something's amiss. However, if I've still got cards, whether or not you've seen them, you would do best not to say anything, for fear that people will think you're trying to manipulate the action to suit you.