Good old fashioned squeeze play

[cambridgealex]

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PokerStars Hand #99455708751: Tournament #807020025, $100+$9 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (30/60) - 2013/06/02 13:46:03 WET [2013/06/02 8:46:03 ET]
Table '807020025 18' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: nasc8 (5240 in chips)
Seat 2: CHENGARI (10676 in chips)
Seat 3: allintrev23 (5275 in chips)
Seat 4: 20alex430 (4780 in chips)
Seat 5: Kifbis (6162 in chips)
Seat 6: jfawn (9221 in chips)
Seat 7: Stan_Ang (7368 in chips)
Seat 8: zitinio (5873 in chips)
Seat 9: xKoSSSx (3625 in chips)
Kifbis: posts small blind 30
jfawn: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 20alex430 [ ]
Stan_Ang: folds
zitinio: raises 60 to 120
xKoSSSx: folds
nasc8: calls 120
CHENGARI: calls 120
allintrev23: folds
20alex430: raises 500 to 620
Kifbis: folds
jfawn: folds
zitinio: folds
nasc8: folds
CHENGARI: calls 500
*** FLOP *** [ ]
CHENGARI: checks
20alex430: bets 630
CHENGARI: calls 630
*** TURN *** [ ] []
CHENGARI: checks
20alex430: bets 1410
CHENGARI: folds

[wazz]

2830 in there and you have 3530 back right? I like it up to his point and think this is a good barrel card and that you have up to 20 outs when called, a jam doesn't look especially weak even as an overbet because you'd probably play your sets and AK and QsQ-type hands like that as well.

[cambridgealex]

i'd bet/call value hands rather than overbet jam them, so thought this bet size looked balanced, its also obvious im committed so does the same job, just looks less drawy and legit value heavy as well.

[wazz]

Yeah I don't think it makes a huge practical difference, we don't (or shouldn't) have a b/f range with that sizing so it just comes down to what you think looks stronger. I usually prefer to overbet my value hands on this turn as it means we get full value when villain has a hand like 88 with or something funky and c/fs a Q river or something, so when I have a semibluff I also go all-in. In the latter case with the added excuse of maximising fold equity! (you can have it both ways )

[TommyD]

My only question mark would be if it's too early to squeezing pre with this, probably ok though.  Streets like.

If you know these guys are going to call off a couple of bets before giving up a ton of the time then well played throughout.

[pleno1]

fold pre, but size the flop so we can jam the turn with our range, we should have a turn jamming range rather than awkward spr bet. i made post about this somewhere in detail will try find tomorrow, basicallz im of belief tht if mtts had aa otf theyd generally size larger so thez could jam the turn, or be in a position to easily get stacks in.

[wazz]

I think a squeeze is better than a fold pre.

I agree about flop sizing, make it like 900 and the turn is a more natural jam size.

[cambridgealex]

agree with sizing