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« on: June 04, 2013, 12:07:38 AM »

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 11 Tournament, 500/1,000 Blinds 125 Ante (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

CO (t4,832)
Button (t15,082)
SB (t17,122)
BB (t43,931)
UTG (t18,910)
UTG+1 (t20,995)
Hero (MP1) (t21,498)
MP2 (t16,596)

Hero's M: 8.60

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q, K
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t1,000, Hero bets t2,750, 2 folds, Button calls t2,750, 3 folds

Flop: (t9,000) 7, Q, 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: (t9,000) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t2,500, Button raises to t9,000, Hero???

ITM now, $11 10K GTD STARS
Guy is playing like 16/11 (50 ish hands) - been playing fairly straightforward all while I've been here.
BB is supernova LAG and has been running like 55/50 or something redic in the two orbits he been here.

Feels like BU was hoping to get a squeeze preflop?
What we put him on when he checks back flop?
What we put him on the turn?

WWYD + Y?? I hit the clock and sat there for a while before shipping.
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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2013, 12:19:24 AM »

bet flop?
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2013, 04:19:59 AM »

Call now and call the river, you're ahead of some of his value range. Shipping probably fine too. Might even be better as that way we get full value when he has QJ or something, and not like he bluffs the river that often given how big the pot is.

Also, do bet the flop!
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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2013, 09:33:24 PM »

Not really a fan of the 3b pre
Bet/call flop
Don't like your turn sizing, bet between 4-5k imo
As played it's not a nice spot as we have little idea what he has. He can still raise worse for value so we have to call and chk/call river i think, but wouldn't be surprised if we are beat
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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2013, 01:09:30 AM »

Bet flop, GII now.
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2013, 02:09:30 AM »

I like fold pre but then as you all know I usually do!

Your hand is now somehow under repped on this turn due to flop c/c.

I like shoving now too on river but its a shitty spot and depends on your stats/image on table. This is another hand where the decision rests on how you perceive your opponent views your play?

Gut feeling is that he has q or pp above the 77s but why would he raise that? 

Pretty impossible really. For value he is only betting hands that beat us. Have you bet/folded to him much before on later streets?
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2013, 02:55:34 AM »

3 betting pre and checking the flop is really tricky line on dry flops oop?

If you we're gonna check raise flop then you must re shove turn I suppose. If not let it go. Still fold pre.
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2013, 09:37:39 AM »

Pre has got to be standard vs a limper. We're not 3betting.
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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2013, 11:21:50 AM »

it would be standard with a 25% bigger stack but not so sure here.
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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2013, 02:39:37 PM »

Pre has got to be standard vs a limper. We're not 3betting.

Doh I read it as a raise, not a limp

Yeh I agree pre is fine then
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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2013, 02:48:23 PM »

I'm not actually sure, I think a jam might be better.
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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2013, 02:57:18 PM »

I'm not actually sure, I think a jam might be better.

I'm 100% sure that r/c is better than open shove.
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« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2013, 03:18:35 PM »

See what I mean? How marginal it is?

More chips I like raise/fold.

Less chips I like jam.

This specific stack size needs a big fat folderooney. It's the ft ain't it?
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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2013, 03:25:09 PM »

I'm not actually sure, I think a jam might be better.

I'm 100% sure that r/c is better than open shove.

On the basis of what? Not like we're inducing light jams with KJ or QJ; if we can get hands like AT or 22-55 we're happy. And we're not open-shoving, there's been a limp ahead of us.
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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2013, 03:43:46 PM »

Apparently my experience of $11 tournaments is very different to other peoples.  I see people spazzing out with all sorts in $11 tournaments.
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