People staking for live cash games

[WotRTheChances]

fantastic start to the diary though.

i heard theres a very tall guy in notts who just won abit of money and is a live poker specialist and knows eveybody who would play on the same tables as you.

altenatively you could do a blonde cash "roll" where you update each day, like I say very unlike you to do anything untoward because people who are on your table will read your staking thread too.

I wondered how long it would be before this was said. Longer than I expected to be fair.

Yeah I know, I gave him a lift to Wembley and he didnt give me half his winnings, wtf is that about?!

That's certainly an idea. Yeah i'll always know people in the games i'm playing. Obviously would never do anything like that anyway, a) i'm not a douche and b) staking deals (and trust) are precious, jeopardising that would be very stupid imo.

[AndrewT]

If it reaches the stage where you need to get staked to play live 1/2 then poker as a life solution is over.

An actual job, that's the way forward now.

[GreekStein]

If it reaches the stage where you need to get staked to play live 1/2 then poker as a life solution is over.

An actual job, that's the way forward now.

In general I'd agree with this but it's too much of a general statement and can't apply to everyone.

I don't know much about Tom (only met once or twice) but he's a young pro in the very early stages of his career. Many guys will go bust - he doesn't have a wife, kids or a mortgage yet so going broke isn't the end of the world, as long as he learns something from it. Whether it's about variance, BRM, volume, tilt, studying more or playing a different variant of the game altogether, it could be the early lesson he needs that will set him flying.

[George2Loose]

GL tomorrow thigh xx

[AndrewT]

If it reaches the stage where you need to get staked to play live 1/2 then poker as a life solution is over.

An actual job, that's the way forward now.

In general I'd agree with this but it's too much of a general statement and can't apply to everyone.

I don't know much about Tom (only met once or twice) but he's a young pro in the very early stages of his career. Many guys will go bust - he doesn't have a wife, kids or a mortgage yet so going broke isn't the end of the world, as long as he learns something from it. Whether it's about variance, BRM, volume, tilt, studying more or playing a different variant of the game altogether, it could be the early lesson he needs that will set him flying.

Poker's not getting easier any time soon.

If he's young then he's got time to learn something useful, which will lead to a career where wages scale upwards over time, rather than downwards (like poker).

[pleno1]

If it reaches the stage where you need to get staked to play live 1/2 then poker as a life solution is over.

An actual job, that's the way forward now.

incorrect.

please explain why?

[pleno1]

If it reaches the stage where you need to get staked to play live 1/2 then poker as a life solution is over.

An actual job, that's the way forward now.

In general I'd agree with this but it's too much of a general statement and can't apply to everyone.

I don't know much about Tom (only met once or twice) but he's a young pro in the very early stages of his career. Many guys will go bust - he doesn't have a wife, kids or a mortgage yet so going broke isn't the end of the world, as long as he learns something from it. Whether it's about variance, BRM, volume, tilt, studying more or playing a different variant of the game altogether, it could be the early lesson he needs that will set him flying.

Poker's not getting easier any time soon.

nor is it getting harder.

[mondatoo]

I've been busto multiple times, sure got anything to do with skill factor, so pretty naive to just assume otherwise and pretty ridic to just say get an 'actual' job.

GLGL getting sorted mate.

[GreekStein]

I've been busto multiple times, sure got anything to do with skill factor, so pretty naive to just assume otherwise and pretty ridic to just say get an 'actual' job.

GLGL getting sorted mate.

Good post Raymernd.

I'm guessing Andrew wouldn't make the same post to Dubai or Lil D, who would also be honest enough to say they've been busto several times before.

[pleno1]

i think lots of poker players are quite deluded though, especially younger ones, thinking just about today and not about tomorow.

Although you can go busto several times you should still plan pretty far in the future without just relying on binking a tournament

There was a thread on 2p2 concerning how much savings players said they needed and always keep no matter what, i.e withdrawing from BR to make sure they had the savings.

I cant remember the figures but I think it was then when I tried to be more sensible. I'll try to find it.

[Marky147]

i think lots of poker players are quite deluded though, especially younger ones, thinking just about today and not about tomorow.

Although you can go busto several times you should still plan pretty far in the future without just relying on binking a tournament

There was a thread on 2p2 concerning how much savings players said they needed and always keep no matter what, i.e withdrawing from BR to make sure they had the savings.

I cant remember the figures but I think it was then when I tried to be more sensible. I'll try to find it.

The reason Pads moved to Bulgaria becomes clear,  an imminent Abramovich style takeover and he's buying the country out

[Marky147]

What about some form of part time work? Would ensure you have pin money to pay bills, and you can focus on grinding yourself back to a better position.

[WotRTheChances]

i think lots of poker players are quite deluded though, especially younger ones, thinking just about today and not about tomorow.

Although you can go busto several times you should still plan pretty far in the future without just relying on binking a tournament

There was a thread on 2p2 concerning how much savings players said they needed and always keep no matter what, i.e withdrawing from BR to make sure they had the savings.

I cant remember the figures but I think it was then when I tried to be more sensible. I'll try to find it.

Totally agree, i'd be the first to admit i've been guilty of that, mostly because it's not something i've ever had to do before and thus never really taken the consequences of not being stringent. It's certainly something i'll be very concious of from now on. As you say I don't have a lot of responsibilities at the moment, no wife/kids etc. so i'm confident I can get back to where I have previously br wise, provided I can find a way to make a start.

I'd also agree that making money from poker isn't something that greatly worries me moving forward. I don't think the game is getting very tough (yes it is a bit), having been to Wembley I realised pretty quickly just how much money there is to be made in poker still. Some of the things I saw were just hilarious.

[LB44]

If it reaches the stage where you need to get staked to play live 1/2 then poker as a life solution is over.

An actual job, that's the way forward now.

I don't agree with this at all in general, but certainly not in the 1/2 games Tom plays. Many are 500-1k deep and to be rolled properly for that you would need a considerable amount of wedge behind you.

Regarding Tom as a player I think he's very good, I've been on day 2 with him a couple of times this year and he's just had spots where it just hasn't gone his way when 50% of the time it does go his way.

On cash, i would say he is on par with say an Alex/stato/PJ/Sean/x reg player (maybe a slightly nitter version of Alex, not a bad thing) and would say he would defo grind people a good profit.

[AndrewT]

I've been busto multiple times, sure got anything to do with skill factor, so pretty naive to just assume otherwise and pretty ridic to just say get an 'actual' job.

GLGL getting sorted mate.

Good post Raymernd.

I'm guessing Andrew wouldn't make the same post to Dubai or Lil D, who would also be honest enough to say they've been busto several times before.

It's nothing to do with whoever OP is, or whether they've been busto or not.

The time to decide to be a pro poker player is long gone.

In the past, variance bit many good players on the bum, but games were soft enough that they could get on the right side of variance and make a living.

Now? Not so much.

I know Pleno can grind to make lolBB/100 but how many of the rest of us can be BITB?

Edges are thinner, more people know what they're doing, and no one's ever going to win the world playing 1/2 live, less so if some staker is getting a huge slice of the profit.

If you're good enough to still make ££ after all this, then you can make £££££ doing something else.