Syria

[TightEnd]

lol, I really need to shut up.

The Prime Minister, of whichever party, cannot tweet his government or personal view the same as anyone else (you/me/miliband/gary lineker etc)?

Course he can. Obama made a major decision, he tweeted he was pleased with the decision. Why is this jumped up or egomaniac?

[outragous76]

lol, I really need to shut up.

The Prime Minister, of whichever party, cannot tweet his government or personal view the same as anyone else (you/me/miliband/gary lineker etc)?

Course he can. Obama made a major decision, he tweeted he was pleased with the decision. Why is this jumped up or egomaniac?

well I guess we will just have to disagree on the matter. If he wants to tweet about football, go ahead, however I disagree he should continue voice personal opinions on policy  as a leader

[AndrewT]

very good article, concerning Obama's decision today

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/08/barack-obamas-decision-to-recall-congress-pays-david-cameron-the-highest-compliment/

Spectator article blows smoke up Tory PM's arse - hold the front page.

The reason Obama is going to Congress is to cover his arse. Britain doesn't want to know. Russia will ensure that the UN Security Council won't vote for it. If it all goes tits up he needs to be able to say 'Well, Congress voted for it'.

[kinboshi]

I've read a few things about Obama - saying he's in a lose-lose situation with Syria and he's going to be seen as a villain if he uses military force on Syria now, or if he doesn't.

He'd probably get more sympathy from some quarters if he'd followed through with his promise to close Guantanamo Bay (amongst other things).

[kinboshi]

Idiot's guide to Syria:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/08/29/9-questions-about-syria-you-were-too-embarrassed-to-ask/

[Ironside]

I have never know a more an ego maniac leader than Cameron! Such an "entitled" prick it hurts! He talks about the house of commons like its a few people backing up his decisions. We are about as democratic as Syria under that prick!

(obv given he lost this vote its a terrible thread to make this point - I get that)

I refer the gentleman to tony blair

[gouty]

I have never know a more an ego maniac leader than Cameron! Such an "entitled" prick it hurts! He talks about the house of commons like its a few people backing up his decisions. We are about as democratic as Syria under that prick!

(obv given he lost this vote its a terrible thread to make this point - I get that)

I refer the gentleman to tony blair

This is true. Due to The last governments ineptitude regarding weapons of mass destruction and smoking guns Cameron has no chance of getting any more Non UN action through parliament.

[The Baron]

very good article, concerning Obama's decision today

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/08/barack-obamas-decision-to-recall-congress-pays-david-cameron-the-highest-compliment/

Spectator article blows smoke up Tory PM's arse - hold the front page.

The reason Obama is going to Congress is to cover his arse. Britain doesn't want to know. Russia will ensure that the UN Security Council won't vote for it. If it all goes tits up he needs to be able to say 'Well, Congress voted for it'.

This.

After Iraq, I'm not sure Cameron had much choice either tbh. He gets way too much credit from this article imo.

[MANTIS01]

Politicians can be slippery customers and I never quite know what they're thinking so it's refreshing for the prime minister to offer his direct personal opinions about policy.

A big criticism with the Iraq war was people acted in haste and didn't wait for UN approval etc so I think Obama is quite right to cover his arse and be more cautious. I fully support the decision in parliament for a variety of reasons and think it's time for countries with significantly better resources than us to pick up the global sheriff baton.

[kinboshi]

Politicians can be slippery customers and I never quite know what they're thinking so it's refreshing for the prime minister to offer his direct personal opinions about policy.

A big criticism with the Iraq war was people acted in haste and didn't wait for UN approval etc so I think Obama is quite right to cover his arse and be more cautious. I fully support the decision in parliament for a variety of reasons and think it's time for countries with significantly better resources than us to pick up the global sheriff baton.

Not sure they did act in haste with Iraq (certainly not anywhere like as quickly as they're looking to act in Syria), and they're not going to get UN approval for action in Syria either.  Of course, I'm not saying they acted correctly with Iraq by not getting UN approval.  But if that was their 'crime' them, surely it's one they're repeating with Syria (with or without parliamentary or congressional support)?

[Acidmouse]

Who made America the worlds selective police force?

[kinboshi]

Who made America the worlds selective police force?

[nirvana]

It's interesting the way this has played out.

Essentially, we know that only 39 MPs definitely voted with their conscience.

Labour voted against en bloc despite the fact that we know from previous situations that a large number of them are quite happy to vote for intervention,bombing, murder, war just so long as it advances their career or they perceive it will advance their party.

I guess we know that some labour and some additional Tory MPs also voted with their consciences which happened to coincide with their party perspective.

In an attempt to diminish Cameron a large number of Labour MPs diminished themselves by voting purely on party lines, unless they suddenly all had some kind of damascene thing