Wimbledon 2013

[DungBeetle]

If Chris Hoy/Bradley Wiggins get knighthoods for being good at a minority sport, then Murray should have been knighted just for consistently being in the top 4 in the world never mind winning a Slam.

The reality is none of them should get knighthoods pre-retirement.

[0800]

How is this on a level footing with the men?  Two fat puddings trying to keep it in court and failing miserably.  Just rubbish.

Ridiculous.

I knew you'd disagree.  The men are athletes; look at Murray, Djokovic, Nadal etc.  Not an ounce of fat on them and superb conditioning.  They can run for 4 hours or more and still produce top class tennis.  Now look at the women.  Piss poor in comparison.  Not one of them carries an athletic condition even remotely approaching the men.  85% of them are chubby or worse.  Sharapova probably the only one approaching the right fitness conditioning...

And then there is the screaming every time they hit the ball.  And the serve that chokes and goes into double fault meltdown.

And all that equates to equality does it?  I don't fucking think so.  Put Williams in vs any man in the top 50.  Give her the whole court to play on and the man just one serve and she'd still not beat anyone.  It's YOU that's ridiculous.

[scotty2hatty]

How is this on a level footing with the men?  Two fat puddings trying to keep it in court and failing miserably.  Just rubbish.

Ridiculous.

I knew you'd disagree.  The men are athletes; look at Murray, Djokovic, Nadal etc.  Not an ounce of fat on them and superb conditioning.  They can run for 4 hours or more and still produce top class tennis.  Now look at the women.  Piss poor in comparison.  Not one of them carries an athletic condition even remotely approaching the men.  85% of them are chubby or worse.  Sharapova probably the only one approaching the right fitness conditioning...

And then there is the screaming every time they hit the ball.  And the serve that chokes and goes into double fault meltdown.

And all that equates to equality does it?  I don't fucking think so.  Put Williams in vs any man in the top 50.  Give her the whole court to play on and the man just one serve and she'd still not beat anyone.  It's YOU that's ridiculous.

You knew that I in particular would disagree? That's pretty impressive.

I was disagreeing with the fat comment, Lisicki didn't look too fat to me whilst I agree that perhaps Bartoli doesn't have the best of physiques. And you just showed how ridiculous you are being by claiming that 85% of female players are chubby or worse?

Monday your drinking night?

As it happens, I think I agree that the men deserve more, not sure why though.

[0800]

How is this on a level footing with the men?  Two fat puddings trying to keep it in court and failing miserably.  Just rubbish.

Ridiculous.

I knew you'd disagree.  The men are athletes; look at Murray, Djokovic, Nadal etc.  Not an ounce of fat on them and superb conditioning.  They can run for 4 hours or more and still produce top class tennis.  Now look at the women.  Piss poor in comparison.  Not one of them carries an athletic condition even remotely approaching the men.  85% of them are chubby or worse.  Sharapova probably the only one approaching the right fitness conditioning...

And then there is the screaming every time they hit the ball.  And the serve that chokes and goes into double fault meltdown.

And all that equates to equality does it?  I don't fucking think so.  Put Williams in vs any man in the top 50.  Give her the whole court to play on and the man just one serve and she'd still not beat anyone.  It's YOU that's ridiculous.

You knew that I in particular would disagree? That's pretty impressive.

I was disagreeing with the fat comment, Lisicki didn't look too fat to me whilst I agree that perhaps Bartoli doesn't have the best of physiques. And you just showed how ridiculous you are being by claiming that 85% of female players are chubby or worse?

Monday your drinking night?

As it happens, I think I agree that the men deserve more, not sure why though.

Agreed.  She just couldn't hit a ball in to save her life.  The mens' game is so superior that they simply should get paid more; added to which 5 sets vs 3 is 66% more work.

I don't drink.  Ever.

[DungBeetle]

"Put Williams in vs any man in the top 50.  Give her the whole court to play on and the man just one serve and she'd still not beat anyone"

I agree with you that Men should get greater prize money, simply because it is the more in demand product.  95% of people  would rather get tickets in the ballot for mens semi final day than womens' semi final day and I think their pay should reflect that difference in demand.

However, think I'd fancy Williams against several of the mugs who are ranked about 30 to 50 on the mens side.

[0800]

"Put Williams in vs any man in the top 50.  Give her the whole court to play on and the man just one serve and she'd still not beat anyone"

I agree with you that Men should get greater prize money, simply because it is the more in demand product.  95% of people  would rather get tickets in the ballot for mens semi final day than womens' semi final day and I think their pay should reflect that difference in demand.

However, think I'd fancy Williams against several of the mugs who are ranked about 30 to 50 on the mens side.

I suppose that there are one or two in that bracket so, yes maybe.

The current mens' game is breathtaking in the extreme; some of the points on Sunday were sublime.  Court coverage was astonishing.  Retrieving balls that were winners against most other players AND making winning passes from those (almost) impossible gets.  It was exciting in the extreme whereas the women.  Well, they aren't...

[MahoganyVic]

I'm sure there was a quote from Williams somewhere saying she would struggle to take a single game off any man in the top 500

[0800]

I'm sure there was a quote from Williams somewhere saying she would struggle to take a single game off any man in the top 500

I believe she did indeed say that.

[DungBeetle]

"I suppose that there are one or two in that bracket so, yes maybe."

Melzer might lose to me if he missed a break point or something and his head went

[DungBeetle]

The womens' game, whilst still highly watchable, is in a lull talent wise.

There is Williams on her own, then Azarenka/Sharapova/Radwanska who might give her a game if they are on a good day.  And then the rest are just very mediocre, with weak mental fortitude and questionable fitness.  It does make the games quite exciting though if the top 4 aren't involved.  Someone can be a set and 4-0 up and still manage to lose.

It does go in waves though - Ivanisevic managed to win Wimbledon as an veteren in that handover period between Sampras and Federer and Hewitt/Roddick made it to number 1! 

The womens' game suffered greatly from premature retirements from Henin and Clijsters imo.

 

[Ironside]

77 years since a british man won wimbledon last brit to win was in '77, 7/7 is date of ladies final in 2018 could that be robsons or watsons year

[0800]

77 years since a british man won wimbledon last brit to win was in '77, 7/7 is date of ladies final in 2018 could that be robsons or watsons year

I admire your optimism!  If her team could 'do a Murray' on her regarding physical conditioning and less mental fragility then. yes, Robson has a squeak.  However, she is a long long way from the finished article right now.  I think that it takes a special kind of person to be able to devote themselves to the pursuit of becoming the number one in tennis and a big time winner.  Many aspire but few succeed...

[MintTrav]

The men are athletes; look at Murray, Djokovic, Nadal etc.  Not an ounce of fat on them and superb conditioning.

Tennis has changed so much. I remember, in the 80s, Seb Coe saying that fitness levels in sports such as Tennis were laughable in comparison with Athletics. It would be unthinkable to claim that nowadays. Undoubtedly, Mo Farah, Tyson Gay etc are still fitter than current Tennis players, but the gap has narrowed a lot.