Pre-flop dilemma

[Tal]

Just read your signature, Titbeam.

Irony.

[titaniumbean]

Just read your signature, Titbeam.

Irony.

google translate helped me get to there.

<3 FISH STICKERS. and brutes.

[Tal]

I have a horrible feeling I shouldn't ask this question. However...

How often do we think seat six folds if we shove?

We are where we are and have a decision to make (which, I am learning, for several reasons, we should not have been asked to make), so what do we do? Should I fold because I shouldn't compound the error, fold because I am only playing the topof his range (call the 3 bet and then 5bet?) or turn my hand into a bluff?

Heck of an education, posting on PHA...

[titaniumbean]

well it's live, and they've put the 5th bet in. zomg lolz.

you have certain options.


declare your intent to 'get there' and jam your 99.  if he turns over AK say you knew he had it.

play like a frenchman peel 99 open shove instantly any 9x flop, c/f or open fold if you miss.


or we can range him up as being ridic strong and us being behind, look at the stacks and decide whether we should get our peel on and pray to the god of sets or whether we should just look at our hand realise how well it flops multiway to get 300bb in and then think 'tal you mug why did you 4bet and announce sigh fold'.

[Tal]

Point taken. Good fold, then.

[titaniumbean]

Point taken. Good fold, then.

not if a 9 was coming innit

[titaniumbean]

then we go on from here, to thinking how we should construct our continuing ranges here, what hands would we want to have in our value 4b range, what hands of which we open pre do we fold to this action etc.

[Tal]

Note to self: all future PHA OPs should begin "I have this friend, right, and he played the following hand..."

[titaniumbean]

Note to self: all future PHA OPs should begin "I have this friend, right, and he played the following hand..."

or the classic, post the hh from the other way round then say BUT HOW CAN HE CALL.



furthering the education, at what hand strength do you looking back on it think you would have been comfortable stacking off preflop here, as I would be overcalling QQ/JJ for sure.

To 4bF a strong value hand such as QQ-99 you need to expect your oppo to be loose in 3betting, wide in peeling 4bets and essentially only 5betting better hands than you hold, some of the time he may min 5bet or w/e giving us odds to actually peel whilst the rest of the times we can raise fold feeling confident in our strategy, it is a very aggressive and read based strategy though, so readless it's generally going to be a pretty bad idea.

[wazz]

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[titaniumbean]

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[pleno1]

I get called lazy post 20 lines and no recognition.

Fold pre.

[titaniumbean]

not enough gifs/pics/spelling mistakes pleeeno

[Tal]

I get called lazy post 20 lines and no recognition.

Fold pre.

True story: I had to ask the chap I'm rooming with (who's a more experienced online player - decent 99.something OPR low stakes MTT player) to explain it to me. He said, and I quote:

"WOW. That is an uunbelievably insightful thing to say. That is probably the best thing I have ever heard written in poker. You should really thank him for that!"

Was contemplating watering it down, but you did ask nicely

Seriously, thanks for the analysis. Really appreciate the feedback, however hard it can be. Expected the 4bet to be questioned but was blindsided by the opening raise question.

Very educational. I just don't get much experience of being that deep very often.

[Tal]

In before "well giving your chips away helped, then"