confessions of a teenage grinder.

[polerization]

does anyone know of anyone who is a coach/willing to coach don't really know anyone and this would be helpful?

[theprawnidentity]

Depends what for.  Cash games, MTTs, sng's?

[polerization]

Depends what for.  Cash games, MTTs, sng's?

mainly a cash game player so that or MTT?

[theprawnidentity]

I have a fair bit of experience coaching MTT's & 180 man SNG's (micro-low stakes) which I do exceptionally well in.  Feel free to sharkscope / OPR me, same username as on here.  If its a cash game coach you're looking for, it would have to be someone else.  If you're interested (I can provide references etc) then feel free to PM me further questions.  There a plenty of great coaches out there but they're not all for everyone.  I would maybe recommend having an hour with a two or three and see who you prefer.

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I have a fair bit of experience coaching MTT's & 180 man SNG's (micro-low stakes) which I do exceptionally well in. 

i was just thinking ive put a decent amount of volume in online playing micro cash games recently and was just considering starting to play the $4.50 180 man SNG'S on stars ive had a bit of success playing these like one off in the past, i would be playing these on my own dime was just wondering what an acceptable starting role is for these games and what sort off swings i would get?

[theprawnidentity]

Basically the hourly for playing these things is terrible and would take you a lifetime to make any money doing so.  Even you were abso crushing them with a 100% ROI, you would make $4.50 a game,  they run for 4 - 4 1/2hrs so you're looking at like $1 per game.  Not only this, I think the traffic in the reg speed games is terrible and you might be lucky to average 3 - 4 games an hour, I might be wrong about this, but even if you were a complete sicko, I wouldn't expect you to make more than $4-$5 an hour.  Though to answer you're question, I wouldnt expect more than 200 bi, though I haven't played enough to give a deinitive answer.

The turbo games however are much more profitable.  You play tons of these per hour and with a bit of coaching and practise can make a decent hourly.  I would recommend when starting out to have a roll of 500 buy ins assumming you are a profitable player.  250-300 BI would be aggressive bankroll management and as long as you could afford to reload it would be fine.  Instead of grinding $4.50 reg speeds, I think you would be much better off grinding the $2.50 turbos and building a roll from there.

As a comparison from the $4.50 games, lets say we can play 15 of these an hour (it could be a hell of a lot more with some practise) and we make an ROI of 20% (again ive heard it could be a lot more with practise).  We would make $0.50 per game, so $7.50 per hour and we're only just starting out.  I would say with practise you could play 30+ of these things an hour and have the traffic to allow you to do so.  Not only this, you can quickly build your roll and move up to the 8's, 3r's, 15's and 35's thus increasing your roll faster (and actually make some decent money).

I actually wrote an article about grinding 180's somewhere else, I will post in on Blonde and put you a link in here: ADDED

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=61683.0

[polerization]

Basically the hourly for playing these things is terrible and would take you a lifetime to make any money doing so.  Even you were abso crushing them with a 100% ROI, you would make $4.50 a game,  they run for 4 - 4 1/2hrs so you're looking at like $1 per game.  Not only this, I think the traffic in the reg speed games is terrible and you might be lucky to average 3 - 4 games an hour, I might be wrong about this, but even if you were a complete sicko, I wouldn't expect you to make more than $4-$5 an hour.  Though to answer you're question, I wouldnt expect more than 200 bi, though I haven't played enough to give a deinitive answer.

The turbo games however are much more profitable.  You play tons of these per hour and with a bit of coaching and practise can make a decent hourly.  I would recommend when starting out to have a roll of 500 buy ins assumming you are a profitable player.  250-300 BI would be aggressive bankroll management and as long as you could afford to reload it would be fine.  Instead of grinding $4.50 reg speeds, I think you would be much better off grinding the $2.50 turbos and building a roll from there.

As a comparison from the $4.50 games, lets say we can play 15 of these an hour (it could be a hell of a lot more with some practise) and we make an ROI of 20% (again ive heard it could be a lot more with practise).  We would make $0.50 per game, so $7.50 per hour and we're only just starting out.  I would say with practise you could play 30+ of these things an hour and have the traffic to allow you to do so.  Not only this, you can quickly build your roll and move up to the 8's, 3r's, 15's and 35's thus increasing your roll faster (and actually make some decent money).

I actually wrote an article about grinding 180's somewhere else, I will post in on Blonde and put you a link in here: ADDED

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=61683.0

found all this very helpful, it was just thought anyway think i prefer cash games anyway but this will all be good to bear in mind

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i wasn't going to post on here till i move to nottingham in september, but decided that it would be good for me to post my progress on here playing the $2.50 turbo 180 man SNG'S on stars i'm doing this so that i can sort of keep track of my progress on here and also give anyone who's actually interested the info too haha. I'll also post a few hands on here i guess.

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wow today's pissed me off grinding the $2.50 180 man's and variance has just killed me every time my moneys gone in the middle i seem to lose wether i'm a 90% favorite or a 10 to 1 dog i just cant win an all in put that with the fact every time my money gets shoved in someone calls with K10 obv hits the king or flops a set on my overpair, been such an annoying session and just tilted off 2 big stacks shoving 9's and 10's into queens bad plays at the time but couldn't see that siggggh.

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okay so feel like i just went off like a baby cause i lost a few hands this is not how id normally react in this situation and need to remember that these are high variance was just wondering if anyone was bothered about numbers or don't really care?

[Steve Swift]

Keep posting, the 180's need good BR, as all do, but I fine these vicious.

[theprawnidentity]

You can do 300 buy in's easily in 180s.  500 buy ins is certainly possible.  Some of the breakeven type regs have been known to do 1k buy ins.  You certainly can't judged anything on the strength of 1 session.  You're gonna see a ton of bad beats, the skill is taking no notice and carrying on regardless.  Its all about volume, if you start tilting or stop regging, you're gonna butcher your hourly.

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so played a decent volume today for me lost again sigghhh, but i get what you guys are saying these seem absolutely brutal with the variance thought i was going deep in one then jammed JJ on my button guy calls with A4 and flops trip aces, had a few min cashes but seem to bust a lot of these on jacks haha hardest hand to play. down like 35 buyins over 3 sessions now not a lot really when one win is like 50.

[theprawnidentity]

Like I said, even for the best regs, 300 buy in aren't uncommon.  Just gotta stick at it and make sure you're rolled for it.

[Steve Swift]

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