hypothetical wsop spot

[SuuPRlim]

Also I think it's safe to assume that no-one is calling off with KK after you've called, only AA will call and there is a 3.5% liklihood of someone at an 8 handed table to be dealt AA in any one hand, its relevant sure, and this would be one of the time that it will concern me most, buts a small figure and shouldn't factor into the obvious decisions  like folding QQ and using the reason that someone might have ACES behind you would be absurd. 88 on the other hand, the risk of running into it is a little more prominent as you have much less equity against the blind all-in.

The main event is a brilliant tournament but it's still poker, I 100% agree you should call a tighter range than the exact same spot first hand of an ept, but not THAT much tighter as folding JJ would be giving away a very easy hugely profitable spot. So what if he has 97 and makes three 9's, its still just a tournament, there will be the same one next year and got very unlucky here, happens.

[Tal]

we would need a super read to call queens or worse. Not worth the risk

what kind of super reads you gonna get on a blind 300 big blind shove?

I'd say there's a 5% chance someone careless enough to open jam UTG on hand one of the main event carelessly exposes their cards.

[SuuPRlim]

obviously if there are external factors that cause you to be really risk adverse early doors thats different, he question is what would I do - I'd be really happy to call a blind all in UTG vs UTG1 first hand with TT, as I think you make a lot of money (real $) by doing so.

However in wouldn't actually believe they were blind and would fold KK very quickly. unless i knew 100% they hadn't seen - as in i had watched the guy from the first second he got his cards, 98% sure is not enough, and if i was 99% sure I'd rather have AK or AQ i think for a blocckkker. 97% sure or less and I might even just fold blind, no use to even finding AA really.

[titaniumbean]

doesn't help that the tables are 9 and 10 handed alot early in the wsop events. sooo  many players

[wazz]

Oh I didn't see that he was shoving blind.

QQ+ then imo.

[SuuPRlim]

you got 80% with QQ, 77.5% with JJ and 75% with TT 72% with 99

If we're calling QQ, surely we should call 99 as well?

[neverbluff67]

He's not blind right??

Getting in AA only,     

If he's blind, I think you should call wider in relation to how big you consider your edge postflop vs the table

[pleno1]

He's not blind right??

Getting in AA only,     

If he's blind, I think you should call wider in relation to how big you consider your edge postflop vs the table

It's hypothetical and he is blind.

[SuuPRlim]

He's not blind right??

Getting in AA only,     

If he's blind, I think you should call wider in relation to how big you consider your edge postflop vs the table

you'd need a ridiculously soft table (and be certain it wont be one of the early ones to break) to turn down 75% though surely?

[neverbluff67]

There has be be a cut off somewhere and I think mine would be JJ I'd get in QQ+

[Oxford_HRV]

Personally i'd announce raise, pretending i havent noticed UTG has shoved then proceed to flop nuts with 

but this is so player dependant you could either be ridic balla and re jam ATC HU4rollz

or fold out everything but AA.

all depends on how much you wanna be gtd to play more than just one hand

[lucky_scrote]

If he's looked I'm folding KK.

If he's generally all-in blind then I don't think I can give up an edge of folding 7's AQ+. I would generally expect people to fold KK behind too so I wouldn't be too worried about that.

[MANTIS01]

I would fold everything except AA and don't give one fuck what the maths says.

Let's say you buy a ticket to the final British Lions test and fly to Australia to watch the game. Somebody outside the ground offers you £5k for it? I don't care how much money I'm theoretically losing I'm still doing the conga through the turnstiles.

[lucky_scrote]

To be fair, to the likes of recreational players I can understand folding out most of their hands in this spot when they should be calling because busting first hand is a pretty nut low scenario for them regardless of what edge they are offered. If you are a professional though, you need to do what is appropriate.

[SuuPRlim]

I would fold everything except AA and don't give one fuck what the maths says.

Let's say you buy a ticket to the final British Lions test and fly to Australia to watch the game. Somebody outside the ground offers you £5k for it? I don't care how much money I'm theoretically losing I'm still doing the conga through the turnstiles.

How about if they offer you £5k + a 75% chance you'll get to keep your ticket, and with better seats?