The Master Butchers Award goes to.....

[tikay]

Playing the WSOP Main for the very first time does funny things to the head, especially when under pressure. More than anything, it makes me find excuses to fold.  

I need to fess up about a hand I played (?) late on just before my demise on Day Two.

I have 28,000 at 500-1,100/100, so it is costing me 2,400 per orbit, & a 2 hour level will see approx 15,000 of my 28,000 disappear unless I do something. Am getting 8-2 type stuff.

Kid UTG has just lost a 150,000 pot. He is young, and seems to know what he is doing. Nothing funky, but quite busy pre his accident, just standard stuff.

Suddenly, he LIMPS UTG for 1,000 out of his 15,000 stack? What?

I look down at J-J.

Well surely Kiddo must have A-A or K-K, went the thinking.

So two choices. Jam, or fold.

So, I just call, for 1,000...... Don't ask.  

Now Aggro Kid on Button, playing 150,000+, makes it 4,000. Quite right too, he has just seen two idiots limping out of short stacks. Serves me right. What to do now? He's likely just squeezing the two idiots.

The Shortie who opened now jams all in for his 15,000.

Yay! He DOES have the Aces. What a great swerve I made there. FOLD.

Aggro Kid calls very quickly, & shows K-Q.

UTG Shortie, playing his 15,000, turns over.....10-10!

I nearly died with embarrassment. I could never have predicted that in a month of Sundays.

It came 2-6-9-4-K, & Aggro Kid takes it down, & Shortie is out.

Played differently (properly) I'm not sure K-Q man even gets involved.

Assume 10-10 limps, I make it (say) 3,000, aggro Kid deffo comes along, Shortie now shoves. I HAVE to call here, yes, no? And does K-Q man still get involved now, as played?

We shall never know, but the hand will haunt me for a very long time.

Think I'd best stick to O8, & the other old mens games.

[Tal]

Delete as appropriate:

- Thinly veiled 'I played the Main' brag
- tl;dr
- fold pre

[celtic]

Doubt if he's any good he's limping AA/kk utg.

Raise call it off, shove if button peels your raise.

You would prob get better response by not putting results in op.

[Tal]

Having now actually read that, it's quite a hand!

A good friend of mine told me a hand at Aria in a $340 comp that I will have a hard time beating. Will ask him to furnish me with the exact details before posting. Worth the wait, believe me.

Meanwhile, I saw a contender myself in the same comp. Board J6834 no flushes. Three way limped pot pre - button and two blinds - second level and all three are 100BB deep. On the river, blinds check and button bets three times the pot. BB dwells and calls.

Button sighs and says "good call. Ten high"

BB looks at his cards. Mucks.

[tikay]

Doubt if he's any good he's limping AA/kk utg.

Raise call it off, shove if button peels your raise.

You would prob get better response by not putting results in op.

Well I know NOW he is not "good", but I never knew that then, hence I said seems ok.

[celtic]

Doubt if he's any good he's limping AA/kk utg.

Raise call it off, shove if button peels your raise.

You would prob get better response by not putting results in op.

Well I know NOW he is not "good", but I never knew that then, hence I said seems to know what he's doing.

FYP

[tikay]

Doubt if he's any good he's limping AA/kk utg.

Raise call it off, shove if button peels your raise.

You would prob get better response by not putting results in op.

People do do this with strong holdings out of short stacks to get the aggro BTN to do exactly what they did. It's quite a smart idea if they think that's the best way to get someone's stack in.

Tikay was along the right lines of thinking, can't actually say that it's a bad fold.

I think I love you Melissa.

I read it EXACTLY that way, of course......

[Tal]

Talk me through the limp, please, Tikay.

Not enough chips about in your and Mr Villain's stack for set-mining. We likely have the best hand, so raise it up and listen if Mr Villain wants to convince us otherwise. I don't mind you folding after putting 3k in. I'd probably do exactly that, unless I had a physical read to suggest otherwise.

Grown ups will be here soon to explain what should have happened.

[tikay]

Talk me through the limp, please, Tikay.

Not enough chips about in your and Mr Villain's stack for set-mining. We likely have the best hand, so raise it up and listen if Mr Villain wants to convince us otherwise. I don't mind you folding after putting 3k in. I'd probably do exactly that, unless I had a physical read to suggest otherwise.

Grown ups will be here soon to explain what should have happened.

No explanation, Simon, it was clearly a raise or a fold. The Main Event messes with your head. 

[Tal]

Talk me through the limp, please, Tikay.

Not enough chips about in your and Mr Villain's stack for set-mining. We likely have the best hand, so raise it up and listen if Mr Villain wants to convince us otherwise. I don't mind you folding after putting 3k in. I'd probably do exactly that, unless I had a physical read to suggest otherwise.

Grown ups will be here soon to explain what should have happened.

No explanation, Simon, it was clearly a raise or a fold. The Main Event messes with your head. 

So what's my excuse at the Broadway?

[Evilpengwinz]

Doubt if he's any good he's limping AA/kk utg.

Raise call it off, shove if button peels your raise.

You would prob get better response by not putting results in op.

+1 to not putting the result in as it can cause people to make results orientated replies, although I think the majority of players who post on here know better than to be results orientated.

Personally, I do the same as above - Make it 3k and call it off against UTG, and hate my life if someone behind 3bets. But after my recent SPT exit I'm probably the last person to ask for advice on how to play Pocket Jacks

If we're limping, then surely this situation is the absolute nuts for us. An aggro player isolates and UTG limp/shoves as we probably expected him to, so unless we're unlucky and run into aggro guy with a hand, we probably get to take on UTG's range with dead money from the aggro guy, blinds and antes.

If we're not happy to get it in when this situation occurs, there's no point limping in the first place.

[mondatoo]

I'd have absolutely no concern about the squeezer, congrats on his life if he has it, I'd then think I don't know enough about utg to polarize him to AA/KK when people just do spazzy stuff to often and have 66 or sum stupid shit. I'd have been the squeezer pre and me and 1010 man would've got it in, as played I get it in now.

As you put the chips in announce "FUCK HIM" for the lolz, or not, that's upto you.

If he had AA though, which he often will have, you wouldn't have made this thread, don't worry about it.

[WotRTheChances]

Should definitely raise-call vs the UTG limper. Pretty rare people actually do this with AA/KK here (i mean who gets dealt AA/KK UTG with 15bb - if they do, it's irrelevant, it's just cold). As played should definitely be iso-jamming over the UTG all-in. You're a long way ahead of his range here (TT is certainly not the bottom of it, nowhere near unless you have a very specific read otherwise). Generally speaking the raise/call from the btn with KQ is fine/good (I mean a reasonable % of the time he gets it through and when UTG jams he still has pretty good equity vs the vast majority of his range), so JJ can't be that close.

I understand your thinking, but limping along here you're just going to end up in a 4/5 way limped pot with JJ... not ideal at all. Even if you raise and BTN 3-bets i'm not folding, obviously it makes his range a lot narrower, but you've got <30bb and JJ, folding should require some pretty mental action.

I'd happily be raise-calling an all-in from UTG with 88+ AJs+ AQo+ sort of range.

[Pinchop73]

Pretty rare people actually do this with AA/KK here

You've obviously never played the Friday night comp in Luton. 

[rfgqqabc]

Doubt if he's any good he's limping AA/kk utg.

Raise call it off, shove if button peels your raise.

You would prob get better response by not putting results in op.

If hes any good the only hands he would limp would be AA/KK but seems v.bad if he has just lost a big pot. and by this I mean limping JTs would be horrible but AA could perhaps be justified. Maybe limp/folding KK if Tikay raised for example.


I'm not sure what to say Mr. TK, you know exactly the problem and what should have happened (2.8k/call it off for me) and more importantly, why what should have happened didn't, so it seems to me this is a diary post. You have found the problem, the cure and found a preventative measure. Good luck playing the main again for the first time