I erred preflop, but what to do now?

[david3103]

.25/.50 table

Villain is capable, and starts the hand with around £200
I cover with c£400 almost all of it from a hand where he opened to £4 and with three callers I 3bet KK to £22 and picked up  three callers to a 10high flop, all of whom called £41 I shoved the A turn for £76 (yeah, I know) Villain here folded and I got two callers both and scooped on a deuce river.

So - villain opens in mid position to £4 (range for this is wide, very wide), two callers and I pick up    in SB and 3bet to £21
Folds to villain who makes it £42 (range tightens here and is maybe 1010+ AQ+ and some funky stuff maybe.
Folds to me, I call - I'm not just setmining but I'm wary

Flop is Q high rb, I check, Villain checks


Turn is a 10, I check, Villain bets £40

Call
Raise / call
Raise / fold
Fold

Also, what to do IF we call turn, and a 'safe' river card arrives

[George2Loose]

Probs call once and fold on most rivers

[theprawnidentity]

Probs call once and fold on most rivers

[pleno1]

lead turn?

[stato_1]

Calling the turn is okay, so is leading but you just have to be prepared to give up the pot on the river when called.

If you lead the turn and villain raises, you have an easy fold.

If you check/call the turn, then I'd fold to a river bet. You're only ahead of AK in the 4-betting range that you have assigned them.

Why do we have to be prepared to give up on the river when called? Leading the turn isn't a bluff. Think if we lead the turn and get called, we're more likely to have the best hand than not

[david3103]

Calling the turn is okay, so is leading but you just have to be prepared to give up the pot on the river when called.

If you lead the turn and villain raises, you have an easy fold.

If you check/call the turn, then I'd fold to a river bet. You're only ahead of AK in the 4-betting range that you have assigned them.

Why do we have to be prepared to give up on the river when called? Leading the turn isn't a bluff. Think if we lead the turn and get called, we're more likely to have the best hand than not

?? because we get raised by better?

[Pinchop73]

Calling the turn is okay, so is leading but you just have to be prepared to give up the pot on the river when called.

If you lead the turn and villain raises, you have an easy fold.

If you check/call the turn, then I'd fold to a river bet. You're only ahead of AK in the 4-betting range that you have assigned them.

Why do we have to be prepared to give up on the river when called? Leading the turn isn't a bluff. Think if we lead the turn and get called, we're more likely to have the best hand than not

?? because we get raised by better?

Because with villain as described, when we lead turn and get called he has just as much if not more Tx/lower pairs/draws in his range than Qx/over pairs.

As played, depends how clever villain is. Is he capable of checking Qx+overpairs on the flop?

[rfgqqabc]

Anyone i know? I like c/c turn, not that much worse he can call with. Might as well let him bluff.

[pleno1]

its a pretty big part of his range though, especially considering than he didnt cbet id say he has over 50% of the time ak in this spot. maybe closer to 80%

[david3103]

Calling the turn is okay, so is leading but you just have to be prepared to give up the pot on the river when called.

If you lead the turn and villain raises, you have an easy fold.

If you check/call the turn, then I'd fold to a river bet. You're only ahead of AK in the 4-betting range that you have assigned them.

Why do we have to be prepared to give up on the river when called? Leading the turn isn't a bluff. Think if we lead the turn and get called, we're more likely to have the best hand than not

Well OP has assigned villains range as TT+ & AQ+. We only beat AK in that range...

I did add in the chance he has some funky stuff too. Also, he's just seen me play KK aggressively postflop.
I think my question is about working out how often he's bluffing/semi bluffing here.
It's £126.50 to win £210

Anyone i know? I like c/c turn, not that much worse he can call with. Might as well let him bluff.

Tony, don't know surname but he's more a Gala reg than G. Older than you, younger than me, 40something maybe.

[pleno1]

Do people never check back strong TP, sets and overpairs on dry boards?

They do otherwise idsay he has 100% ak

[david3103]

It's live and this is my second 3bet in around two hours, but it's only been an orbit or so since my first.
I'd been dealt garbage for the first hour and a half plus and it was a table of 'those who do not fold' with three or four shortstack jockeys just waiting to chuck £20 in with half decent equity and a couple of serial non-believers. I sat and waited for a hand, and found it with the KK hand described in OP.
Since the KK hand I've been more active in opening pots because a) I've had better hands, and b) a few of the calling stations are away.

[david3103]

It's live and this is my second 3bet in around two hours, but it's only been an orbit or so since my first.
I'd been dealt garbage for the first hour and a half plus and it was a table of 'those who do not fold' with three or four shortstack jockeys just waiting to chuck £20 in with half decent equity and a couple of serial non-believers. I sat and waited for a hand, and found it with the KK hand described in OP.
Since the KK hand I've been more active in opening pots because a) I've had better hands, and b) a few of the calling stations are away.

I presumed it was online. Never seen a .25/.50 live game before!

Don't really think they will have too much funky stuff in their 4-betting range if you haven't 3bet too often.

you've not been to the North East then?

[paulhouk03]

In Manchester they had 25p 25p tables

[david3103]

It's live and this is my second 3bet in around two hours, but it's only been an orbit or so since my first.
I'd been dealt garbage for the first hour and a half plus and it was a table of 'those who do not fold' with three or four shortstack jockeys just waiting to chuck £20 in with half decent equity and a couple of serial non-believers. I sat and waited for a hand, and found it with the KK hand described in OP.
Since the KK hand I've been more active in opening pots because a) I've had better hands, and b) a few of the calling stations are away.

I presumed it was online. Never seen a .25/.50 live game before!

Don't really think they will have too much funky stuff in their 4-betting range if you haven't 3bet too often.

you've not been to the North East then?

Nope, I haven't. Any good?

Nah, would be boring for you DTD regs.