400NL Rush: Hero fold

[Honeybadger]

Villain is a decent regular.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed)

MP ($646.80)
Hero (CO) ($427.25)
Button ($457)
SB ($494)
BB ($452.30)
UTG ($400)

Preflop: Hero is CO with ,
2 folds, Hero bets $12, Button calls $12, 2 folds

Flop: ($30) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $20, Button calls $20

Turn: ($70) (2 players)
Hero bets $40, Button calls $40

River: ($150) (2 players)
Hero bets $112.50, Button raises to $385 (All-In), Hero folds

[pleno1]

without further reads I think its a clear fold

[outragous76]

Never folding

[SuuPRlim]

is this really a hero fold?

[pleno1]

Never folding

we raised the cut off, he called the button, thus unlikely to have jj,qq.

he has every 76s combo, every 87s combo, some potential 97s combos and lets give him one a3s combo.

Can you really fnd enough bluffs to warrant a call here?

i actually like check shoving the river, but when we bet i just dont think he has any bluffs.

[pleno1]

is this really a hero fold?

yeh was going to give him stick about that, then remember dubai telling me off for posting trivial hands!

[outragous76]

Never folding

we raised the cut off, he called the button, thus unlikely to have jj,qq.

he has every 76s combo, every 87s combo, some potential 97s combos and lets give him one a3s combo.

Can you really fnd enough bluffs to warrant a call here?

i actually like check shoving the river, but when we bet i just dont think he has any bluffs.

Well I don't know if decent reg means nit or just good player.

But if he is a good player, what part of your range are you calling with when you bet? Basically nothing if you are folding KK, he has plenty fold equity and you aren't calling anything but 3x and 77 of which you probably have none

[outragous76]

think there is also a discussion to be had about continuing with 7x on a paired board

[pleno1]

Never folding

we raised the cut off, he called the button, thus unlikely to have jj,qq.

he has every 76s combo, every 87s combo, some potential 97s combos and lets give him one a3s combo.

Can you really fnd enough bluffs to warrant a call here?

i actually like check shoving the river, but when we bet i just dont think he has any bluffs.

77 too obv

[SuuPRlim]

think there is also a discussion to be had about continuing with 7x on a paired board

Stu opens CO and we call 97s otb, flop comes 733r and we're sposed to fold?!

I response to if we fold here what are we calling with the other question is how ofteen he is bluffing, obviously the less he is bluffing thn the less calls we need to make, i'd suggest he's bluffing very very infrequently as we do have 7's in our range and even a couple of combo's of 3.

[outragous76]

think there is also a discussion to be had about continuing with 7x on a paired board

Stu opens CO and we call 97s otb, flop comes 733r and we're sposed to fold?!

I response to if we fold here what are we calling with the other question is how ofteen he is bluffing, obviously the less he is bluffing thn the less calls we need to make, i'd suggest he's bluffing very very infrequently as we do have 7's in our range and even a couple of combo's of 3.

so we are never prepared to lose 100bbs on a middling paired board OOP is what your saying?

what if it comes 2 5 9 5 Q? To the same action?

[outragous76]

also when you bet bet bet that board you are also saying you are bet folding 100% of the time, at which point villain jamming is going to be profitable for all the times you have a 7

[Pinchop73]

Depends how decent he actually is. I mean if we know he can value jam wider than 3x and 7x with 88-QQ (because our range contains way more value bets than just 3x 7x combos as well as a certain % of bluffs on a steal) then it becomes closer to a snap than a sigh fold.

[pleno1]

also when you bet bet bet that board you are also saying you are bet folding 100% of the time, at which point villain jamming is going to be profitable for all the times you have a 7

he doest think were always bet foldung, he will expect us to call super wide.

nbodoy is ever ever jamming jj here

[outragous76]

also when you bet bet bet that board you are also saying you are bet folding 100% of the time, at which point villain jamming is going to be profitable for all the times you have a 7

he doest think were always bet foldung, he will expect us to call super wide.

nbodoy is ever ever jamming jj here

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he is a competent reg and he doesn't think you are bet folding? er wut?

So we have raised pre and flopped it all, everytime? Pretty sure he can be almost certain we are bet folding, if he has any inclination we are folding AA/KK (with history)

Why cant he have QQ here? and it really doesn't matter whether he thinks he is value jamming or bluffing does it?

What does Hero do with JJ here (every street)?

It is so exploitable to b/f river (or should I say bet bet bet/fold) here because we don't have 7's enough of the time (ie is b, b, b, is our default line)