Stars $33r FT - River shiiippp

[Pinchop73]

Around 20 hands into the FT of this $33r comp Monday night.

Villain in this coup is of questionable quality, a small winner. Has coolered a couple people on my table 2 tables out. I've shipped complete air on him otr for double pot on the FT bubble after checking flop first to act and he's tank folded, giving me a really decent stack to play the FT with. Felt I should mention this because this hand isn't the only hand I've shipped on him.

thoughts?

PokerStars Hand #101757474560: Tournament #762693409, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (1500/3000) - 2013/07/22 23:43:09 WET [2013/07/22 18:43:09 ET]
Table '762693409 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: markovitsus (69224 in chips)
Seat 2: 89rhino89 (57787 in chips)
Seat 3: OBigO (58684 in chips)
Seat 4: CRYWOLFRUS (46158 in chips)
Seat 5: salaliitto (80511 in chips)
Seat 6: shermanash (40572 in chips)
Seat 7: JOKERVDIJK (326091 in chips)
Seat 8: Spraggs (94877 in chips)
Seat 9: Ultraballs18 (105096 in chips)
markovitsus: posts the ante 300
89rhino89: posts the ante 300
OBigO: posts the ante 300
CRYWOLFRUS: posts the ante 300
salaliitto: posts the ante 300
shermanash: posts the ante 300
JOKERVDIJK: posts the ante 300
Spraggs: posts the ante 300
Ultraballs18: posts the ante 300
shermanash: posts small blind 1500
JOKERVDIJK: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ultraballs18 [ ]
Spraggs: folds
Ultraballs18: raises 3000 to 6000
markovitsus: folds
89rhino89: folds
OBigO: folds
CRYWOLFRUS: folds
salaliitto: folds
shermanash: folds
JOKERVDIJK: calls 3000
*** FLOP *** [ ]
JOKERVDIJK: checks
Ultraballs18: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
JOKERVDIJK: bets 7100
Ultraballs18: calls 7100
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
JOKERVDIJK: bets 17880
Ultraballs18: raises 73816 to 91696 and is all-in
JOKERVDIJK: calls 73816
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ultraballs18: shows [ ] (two pair, Aces and Sixes)
JOKERVDIJK: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Sixes)
JOKERVDIJK collected 213792 from pot
Ultraballs18 finished the tournament in 9th place and received $300.00.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 213792 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: markovitsus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 89rhino89 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: OBigO folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: CRYWOLFRUS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: salaliitto (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: shermanash (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: JOKERVDIJK (big blind) showed [ ] and won (213792) with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 8: Spraggs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Ultraballs18 showed [ ] and lost with two pair, Aces and Sixes

[pleno1]

wuwwwwwwwwww too thin imo.

sexy upto the river, just call now.

[lucky_scrote]

If you think he's going to call you down light then why the hell are you checking the flop? Am I missing something?

Feel like I've been harsh on the hands you've posted up but you're a decent player so you deserve it

[pleno1]

be ause if hes peeling wiht hands like q5s etc he misses this baord alot but will improve equity on the turn a reasonable amount of time and bluff twice a rrason abmount of the time.

i puke at this river sizing and htink its polarized between air and nuts so i call.

[Pinchop73]

If you think he's going to call you down light then why the hell are you checking the flop? Am I missing something?

Feel like I've been harsh on the hands you've posted up but you're a decent player so you deserve it

That's the thing, I don't think he will call me down light.

I want him to take the initiative so he truly believes that his K9o is good. On the river I'm going to be looking for a Hero to ensure maximum value, so I decide to manipulate the hand on the flop and turn to try and guarantee this.

If I bet the flop, the hand is OVER. My hand is way too strong for the hand to be over.

[Pinchop73]

Admittedly the river sizing was a little surprising but I didn't feel like pussying out of my original plan. This is something I should maybe have thought about more at the time, but a tank ship gets called way less than an insta ship so just went with it.

[lucky_scrote]

Yeah interesting for sure. I probably don't take this flop line enough.

[PathFinder]

If you think he's going to call you down light then why the hell are you checking the flop? Am I missing something?

Feel like I've been harsh on the hands you've posted up but you're a decent player so you deserve it

If I bet the flop, the hand is OVER. My hand is way too strong for the hand to be over.

Do you not think he would call with 2nd Pair?

[pleno1]

yeh but its a tiny part of his range

[TL900]

hes defended the bb this flop is pretty good for him imo, hes gona have all sorts of pairs/open enders/gutshots that he wont fold on the flop, people dont like folding flops in general and he might even c/r bluff. Flop feels like a slam dunk bet, turn is pretty terrible for us and we have no idea about his range and that card is obv much better for his than ours means I would just call river I think, thinking hes gona b/c a 9 is v ambitious imo

[PathFinder]

yeh but its a tiny part of his range

If we talk about his entire range though he calls flop bet with all flopped pairs all pocket pairs all connectors. May even call one with Ace Hi or 2 overs with back doors. I think not betting flop is a mistake but if we are taking this line we shouldn't raise river.

[wazz]

Would be more willing to check the flop with a set of or as we now block a lot of his value range but feel like if we price it small he'll peel a fairly healthy amount and we might even induce a c/r bluff.

[rfgqqabc]

I really like your plan and I definitely agree with your views on river timings. I've tried a few obscene timebank bluffs but its never got through


I know what you mean about betting the flop, and without a picture/T I agree, is there a way of analysing the our stacks value if we just call, and if we shove? Obviously we need some serious number crunching and to have a good idea of river calling range etc, but if he feel he might get his cape on, I can't hate it.

[Pinchop73]

Flop feels like a slam dunk bet...

...thinking hes gona b/c a 9 is v ambitious imo

If you feel the flop is a slam dunk then obviously, your going to think that him bet calling a 9 is ambitious.

Nits are hardly ever going to get 2 streets out of his (for example) Q6o with a flop bet, let alone get maximum value.

Wheras with my image, people at least consider (and often do) paying me off with top pair vs my check flop, float turn and cram river range.

But with ICM considerations I do absolutely feel your line is way more correct and I should certainly start thinking of taking less creative lines when I start to play for the real money. Finishing 9th for a bowl is getting pretty tiring.

[The Squid]

The fact that he's defending Q6o suggests he doesn't perceive your range o be as strong as you evidently do and therefore he's likely to be quite stubborn.