Can You Muck When You Are All-In - On The Flop?

[MintTrav]

GUKPT side-event last night, £100+£10 re-entry.

It's the last hand before the break, which is the end of re-entries. Blinds 50/100.

Raise to 300 pre-flop - 4 callers, including BB but not SB. Pot 1550.

On the Flop, BB bets 1000, with 5000 behind. EP folds. MP goes all-in for 1225. CO thinks, confirms that BB can't reraise if he calls, but then folds anyway in the end. Button folds. BB calls the extra 225.

The all-in player then asks if he can still re-enter if he loses and is told that he can. He then asks if he can muck his cards. He wants to lose the hand and re-start with a full stack of 7500 after the break rather than 4000. He doesn't want to take the risk that he might win the hand.

Can you do that when you are all-in?

[I KNOW IT]

No

[outragous76]

only safe option if that is what you want to do is tear the cards up and eat them

[CHIPPYMAN]

only safe option if that is what you want to do is tear the cards up and eat them

 

[JaffaCake]

I remember being on Jim Kerrigan's table once when one of the first times I played live poker and some guy not in the hard asked to see his hand when Jim called a river bet and lost. Jim told him he was out of order, the guy said he could ask if he wanted and the floor confirmed, so Jim told him he's show him he would never see his cards. The dealer ended up having to play goalkeeper as Jim mucked his cards from all angles, backhand, forehand, underarm, left hand, right hand....u get the picture.

In short, it's against the rules to muck, and u may get a penalty, but if u can bury them well enough so they can't be retreived I dno who else they gna award the pot to apart from the only guy with live cards.

Surely 4k man coulda found some better way of gambling his stack by moving allin every hand or shoving pre or something rather than this tho

[Oxford_HRV]

you can always try..

[Tal]

I would say this could be considered tantamount to chip passing, so although he can put his cards into the muck, wash the cards and make them irretrievable, if he wants to reenter, he should do so only after a one round penalty.

[MintTrav]

He was allowed to muck his cards. The hand finished on the Flop.

I thought it was poor because, not only did the BB get a 4k present, but the CO and Button both had hands that might have won if they had seen another card, but were forced out of the hand by the betting, partly by a player who then mucked his hand and gifted the pot to another player.

Also, a request to see the dead hand was denied as it was "mucked", although it was obvious which cards they were. I thought the players who had called pre-flop (or, indeed, anyone at the table) would have been allowed to ask to see the cards.

It then became farcical as, after the break, there was no sign of the player who had been going to re-enter. We thought that he had not done so but he showed up on another table towards the end of the next level. I assume his chips had been on his new table since the break. He had re-entered at the break but had been playing blackjack and carried on doing so when the game restarted.

[KarmaDope]

Wow.

That is quite possibly up there with the worst floor decisions I have ever seen at a poker table. Name and shame IMO.