Self ban on games online bookies & machines inside bookies

[aaron1867]

The laws of maths doesn't mean that they are guaranteed profit, it just shows edge.

No, they do. That's the important bit that people don't understand.

If a game is purely random then over time it WILL hit its target %.

It doesn't matter if people have got "lucky" or "unlucky", the maths states that it will still hit that % over time.

This discussion is lame.

If it's a random number generator, there is a chance that every single bet that a person has that it can hit the numbers that the person wants, it's a mathematical possibility!

[FUN4FRASER]

The laws of maths doesn't mean that they are guaranteed profit, it just shows edge.

No, they do. That's the important bit that people don't understand.

If a game is purely random then over time it WILL hit its target %.

It doesn't matter if people have got "lucky" or "unlucky", the maths states that it will still hit that % over time.

This Statement is True !  As long as its 100 % random

Are you saying both betting office terminals and fruit machines are 100 % random ?....the same as throwing a straight dice or flipping a coin for example ?

[Cf]

The laws of maths doesn't mean that they are guaranteed profit, it just shows edge.

No, they do. That's the important bit that people don't understand.

If a game is purely random then over time it WILL hit its target %.

It doesn't matter if people have got "lucky" or "unlucky", the maths states that it will still hit that % over time.

This discussion is lame.

If it's a random number generator, there is a chance that every single bet that a person has that it can hit the numbers that the person wants, it's a mathematical possibility!

It's not. The world is built on such random events converging towards an expected outcome. Go and grab a statistics textbook

p.s. I fail to see how this discussion is lame when you are asking questions about something where you clearly have no fundamental understanding of how they work. Instead you, and others, throw around terms like "they're rigged" etc as you'd rather believe that and blame others than admit you don't understand them and have a problem.

[Cf]

The laws of maths doesn't mean that they are guaranteed profit, it just shows edge.

No, they do. That's the important bit that people don't understand.

If a game is purely random then over time it WILL hit its target %.

It doesn't matter if people have got "lucky" or "unlucky", the maths states that it will still hit that % over time.

This Statement is True ! 

So are you saying both betting office terminals and fruit machines are 100 % random ?....the same as throwing a straight dice or flipping a coin for example ?

Betting shop machines/casino games/casino slots are 100% random (but obviously, with the payouts not totaling the number of outcomes, hence they pay a certain %).

This does NOT apply to fruit machines, which work completely differently.

[aaron1867]

The laws of maths doesn't mean that they are guaranteed profit, it just shows edge.

No, they do. That's the important bit that people don't understand.

If a game is purely random then over time it WILL hit its target %.

It doesn't matter if people have got "lucky" or "unlucky", the maths states that it will still hit that % over time.

This discussion is lame.

If it's a random number generator, there is a chance that every single bet that a person has that it can hit the numbers that the person wants, it's a mathematical possibility!

It's not. The world is built on such random events converging towards an expected outcome. Go and grad a statistics textbook

p.s. I fail to see how this discussion is lame when you are asking questions about something where you clearly have no fundamental understanding of how they work. Instead you, and others, throw around terms like "they're rigged" etc as you'd rather believe that and blame others than admit you don't understand them and have a problem.

So there is no mathematical chance of me putting £1 on red for the next 100 spins and the next 100 spins being red?

I also think you need to read back btw

[Cf]

The laws of maths doesn't mean that they are guaranteed profit, it just shows edge.

No, they do. That's the important bit that people don't understand.

If a game is purely random then over time it WILL hit its target %.

It doesn't matter if people have got "lucky" or "unlucky", the maths states that it will still hit that % over time.

This discussion is lame.

If it's a random number generator, there is a chance that every single bet that a person has that it can hit the numbers that the person wants, it's a mathematical possibility!

It's not. The world is built on such random events converging towards an expected outcome. Go and grad a statistics textbook

p.s. I fail to see how this discussion is lame when you are asking questions about something where you clearly have no fundamental understanding of how they work. Instead you, and others, throw around terms like "they're rigged" etc as you'd rather believe that and blame others than admit you don't understand them and have a problem.

So there is no mathematical chance of me putting £1 on red for the next 100 spins and the next 100 spins being red?

I also think you need to read back btw

Well, I've worked out the odds of that happening. What do you think they are?

But in short... no.

[aaron1867]

The laws of maths doesn't mean that they are guaranteed profit, it just shows edge.

No, they do. That's the important bit that people don't understand.

If a game is purely random then over time it WILL hit its target %.

It doesn't matter if people have got "lucky" or "unlucky", the maths states that it will still hit that % over time.

This discussion is lame.

If it's a random number generator, there is a chance that every single bet that a person has that it can hit the numbers that the person wants, it's a mathematical possibility!

It's not. The world is built on such random events converging towards an expected outcome. Go and grad a statistics textbook

p.s. I fail to see how this discussion is lame when you are asking questions about something where you clearly have no fundamental understanding of how they work. Instead you, and others, throw around terms like "they're rigged" etc as you'd rather believe that and blame others than admit you don't understand them and have a problem.

So there is no mathematical chance of me putting £1 on red for the next 100 spins and the next 100 spins being red?

I also think you need to read back btw

Well, I've worked out the odds of that happening. What do you think they are?

But in short... no.

I'd imagine it is possible, but very unlikely.

But in short there is no mathematical chance of this happening?

[FUN4FRASER]

The laws of maths doesn't mean that they are guaranteed profit, it just shows edge.

No, they do. That's the important bit that people don't understand.

If a game is purely random then over time it]WILL[/b] hit its target %.[/b]

It doesn't matter if people have got "lucky" or "unlucky", the maths states that it will still hit that % over time.

This Statement is True ! 

So are you saying both betting office terminals and fruit machines are 100 % random ?....the same as throwing a straight dice or flipping a coin for example ?

Betting shop machines/casino games/casino slots are 100% random (but obviously, with the payouts not totaling the number of outcomes, hence they pay a certain %).

This does]NOT[/ apply to fruit machines, which work completely differently.

How can this be confirmed ?  ..I just find it really difficult to believe that a terminal is as random as a flip of a coin or real roulette wheel etc...here to be proved wrong.

[Cf]

I should clarify that "no" isn't quite the right word there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almost_surely

if you want more info.

For the record the odds are

1 in 1267650600228229401496703205376 (assuming a genuine 50% chance - otherwise the odds are even worse)

[aaron1867]

I should clarify that "no" isn't quite the right word there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almost_surely

if you want more info.

For the record the odds are

1 in 1267650600228229401496703205376

But still a possibility of course.

[Cf]

The laws of maths doesn't mean that they are guaranteed profit, it just shows edge.

No, they do. That's the important bit that people don't understand.

If a game is purely random then over time it]WILL[/b] hit its target %.[/b]

It doesn't matter if people have got "lucky" or "unlucky", the maths states that it will still hit that % over time.

This Statement is True !  

So are you saying both betting office terminals and fruit machines are 100 % random ?....the same as throwing a straight dice or flipping a coin for example ?

Betting shop machines/casino games/casino slots are 100% random (but obviously, with the payouts not totaling the number of outcomes, hence they pay a certain %).

This does]NOT[/ apply to fruit machines, which work completely differently.

How can this be confirmed ?  ..I just find it really difficult to believe that a terminal is as random as a flip of a coin or real roulette wheel etc...here to be proved wrong.

They are regulated and independently tested. gouty might be able to give more info as he works in a bookies, or you can check the GC website for more info.

I do accept that it's harder to "trust" a computer than a real world object. But that doesn't mean they're not fair.

[Cf]

I should clarify that "no" isn't quite the right word there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almost_surely

if you want more info.

For the record the odds are

1 in 1267650600228229401496703205376

But still a possibility of course.

If you consider a number of that magnitude to be a possibilty then sure, why not. Go and place a bet on a roulette wheel hitting red 100 times in a row.

But I should hope I've made my point. If an event is purely random then over time it's impossible to beat it if the odds are stacked against you.

If you want to believe otherwise then go for it.

[redarmi]

This thread is so tilting.  Fraser - the random number generators on machines are regularly checked by world leading auditors.  Not sure how much more proof you want.  Aaron - you are taking pedantry to levels that even you have not managed before.

[FUN4FRASER]

The laws of maths doesn't mean that they are guaranteed profit, it just shows edge.

No, they do. That's the important bit that people don't understand.

If a game is purely random then over time it]WILL[/b] hit its target %.[/b]

It doesn't matter if people have got "lucky" or "unlucky", the maths states that it will still hit that % over time.

This Statement is True !  

So are you saying both betting office terminals and fruit machines are 100 % random ?....the same as throwing a straight dice or flipping a coin for example ?

Betting shop machines/casino games/casino slots are 100% random (but obviously, with the payouts not totaling the number of outcomes, hence they pay a certain %).

This does]NOT[/ apply to fruit machines, which work completely differently.

How can this be confirmed ?  ..I just find it really difficult to believe that a terminal is as random as a flip of a coin or real roulette wheel etc...here to be proved wrong.

They are regulated and independently tested. gouty might be able to give more info as he works in a bookies, or you can check the GC website for more info.

I do accept that it's harder to "trust" a computer than a real world object. But that doesn't mean they're not fair.

I suppose we can debate all night...I just dont trust them...One thing that is a fact ....in the long run you will end up a loser   !!

Stay away Aaron

No more to discuss on the subject   

[FUN4FRASER]

This thread is so tilting.  Fraser - the random number generators on machines are regularly checked by world leading auditors.  Not sure how much more proof you want.  Aaron - you are taking pedantry to levels that even you have not managed before.

I voiced an opinion.....if it tilts you thats your problem.

Aaron has an opinion too, again whether he is right or wrong  you dont need to be so rude