Another ruling thread

[pleno1]

Wow  !!!!!

Terrible terrible ruling. I'd be calling over extra floors until Rob came himself of I had to.

I often call with 1 chip ie 1k chip of its a 6k bet and I probably got the best hand. What a terrible ruling.

Hero did absolutely nothi wrong (except a bad river sizing vs villains perceived range )  there's no way he is at fault and think he's been absolutely robbed in this pot by the TD. If its 10k starting then that is a huge difference. Vinoh is clearly a very. NIce guy and wouldn't want to cause any trouble but no way should he have let this incompetent ruling stand.

[TightEnd]

Wow  !!!!!

Terrible terrible ruling. I'd be calling over extra floors until Rob came himself of I had to.

I often call with 1 chip ie 1k chip of its a 6k bet and I probably got the best hand. What a terrible ruling.

Hero did absolutely nothi wrong (except a bad river sizing vs villains perceived range )  there's no way he is at fault and think he's been absolutely robbed in this pot by the TD. If its 10k starting then that is a huge difference. Vinoh is clearly a very. NIce guy and wouldn't want to cause any trouble but no way should he have let this incompetent ruling stand.

Sigh, again the language is just not helpful is it?

Doing the debate no favours.

[TightEnd]

the other player. Young, inexperienced, not known to Vinodh, not a DTD reg. I have just asked him

[doubleup]

Hero did absolutely nothi wrong (except a bad river sizing vs villains perceived range )  

if we're moving on to likely hands, you know there is no way hero is getting paid 6k from villain.  

[JK]

Wow  !!!!!

Terrible terrible ruling. I'd be calling over extra floors until Rob came himself of I had to.

I often call with 1 chip ie 1k chip of its a 6k bet and I probably got the best hand. What a terrible ruling.

Hero did absolutely nothi wrong (except a bad river sizing vs villains perceived range )  there's no way he is at fault and think he's been absolutely robbed in this pot by the TD. If its 10k starting then that is a huge difference. Vinoh is clearly a very. NIce guy and wouldn't want to cause any trouble but no way should he have let this incompetent ruling stand.

Out of interest Pads, do you throw in 1 chip and make a signal to the dealer?

I know when I do this, I nod and mouth "call" or say call or whatever. This may sound trivial, but it's imperative wether the TD has any judgement in this matter.

If villain was to do as I would do above, and say call while throwing in the chips, I think we're all agreed that its black and white. However, as Tom stated earlier, the TD said that the villain hadnt said call, just placed 2 chips over the line.

No matter what anyone says about the colour of the chips, the mistake villain has supposedly made is very easy to make. I have seen as many bets at DTD as most, and have made the mistake myself from both sides of the table time and time again.

I'm not interjecting any rulings here, nor my opinion, just giving some balance.

[pleno1]

Wow  !!!!!

Terrible terrible ruling. I'd be calling over extra floors until Rob came himself of I had to.

I often call with 1 chip ie 1k chip of its a 6k bet and I probably got the best hand. What a terrible ruling.

Hero did absolutely nothi wrong (except a bad river sizing vs villains perceived range )  there's no way he is at fault and think he's been absolutely robbed in this pot by the TD. If its 10k starting then that is a huge difference. Vinoh is clearly a very. NIce guy and wouldn't want to cause any trouble but no way should he have let this incompetent ruling stand.

Sigh, again the language is just not helpful is it?

Doing the debate no favours.

Helpful for what? I'm nt going to pussyfoot around.

I don't even care it's dtd it could be anyway. Dtd do good things and I've used sufficient language to praise them were needs be. This is an amazingly bad ruling from any cardroom manger anywhere in the world. I wouldn't expect this at the local pub from a barman go has never played the game.

As far as the guy being youg and inexpeienced, well that's a shame but he will learn I guess.

Hero did absolutely nothi wrong (except a bad river sizing vs villains perceived range )  

if we're moving on to likely hands, you know there is no way hero is getting paid 6k from villain.  

Irrelevant but I heard that inexperienced guys like 3 pair.

[pleno1]

Wow  !!!!!

Terrible terrible ruling. I'd be calling over extra floors until Rob came himself of I had to.

I often call with 1 chip ie 1k chip of its a 6k bet and I probably got the best hand. What a terrible ruling.

Hero did absolutely nothi wrong (except a bad river sizing vs villains perceived range )  there's no way he is at fault and think he's been absolutely robbed in this pot by the TD. If its 10k starting then that is a huge difference. Vinoh is clearly a very. NIce guy and wouldn't want to cause any trouble but no way should he have let this incompetent ruling stand.

I usually look at the ceiling trying to emulate durrrr and sigh flicking in one chip. Don't generally make any contact with the dealer unless im unsure about the bet.

Out of interest Pads, do you throw in 1 chip and make a signal to the dealer?

I know when I do this, I nod and mouth "call" or say call or whatever. This may sound trivial, but it's imperative wether the TD has any judgement in this matter.

If villain was to do as I would do above, and say call while throwing in the chips, I think we're all agreed that its black and white. However, as Tom stated earlier, the TD said that the villain hadnt said call, just placed 2 chips over the line.

No matter what anyone says about the colour of the chips, the mistake villain has supposedly made is very easy to make. I have seen as many bets at DTD as most, and have made the mistake myself from both sides of the table time and time again.

I'm not interjecting any rulings here, nor my opinion, just giving some balance.

[TightEnd]

Wow  !!!!!

Terrible terrible ruling. I'd be calling over extra floors until Rob came himself of I had to.

I often call with 1 chip ie 1k chip of its a 6k bet and I probably got the best hand. What a terrible ruling.

Hero did absolutely nothi wrong (except a bad river sizing vs villains perceived range )  there's no way he is at fault and think he's been absolutely robbed in this pot by the TD. If its 10k starting then that is a huge difference. Vinoh is clearly a very. NIce guy and wouldn't want to cause any trouble but no way should he have let this incompetent ruling stand.

Sigh, again the language is just not helpful is it?

Doing the debate no favours.

Helpful for what? I'm nt going to pussyfoot around.

I don't even care it's dtd it could be anyway. Dtd do good things and I've used sufficient language to praise them were needs be. This is an amazingly bad ruling from any cardroom manger anywhere in the world. I wouldn't expect this at the local pub from a barman go has never played the game.

As far as the guy being youg and inexpeienced, well that's a shame but he will learn I guess.

Hero did absolutely nothi wrong (except a bad river sizing vs villains perceived range ) 

if we're moving on to likely hands, you know there is no way hero is getting paid 6k from villain. 

Irrelevant but I heard that inexperienced guys like 3 pair.

You weren't there and just can't be so sure. Sometimes its not black and white. Of all the places in the world to use the word incompetent about, to do so towards a DTD TD is just ott, imo

[pleno1]

If everything op said is correct then it's incompetent. IMO.

If he was saying things wrong then obviously I retract my statement.

In responding vs the op question not the general standard of dtd tds.

[celtic]

@ Jk, the op says the guy said call.

[TightEnd]

@ Jk, the op says the guy said call.

"However, as Tom stated earlier, the TD said that the villain hadnt said call, just placed 2 chips over the line. "



In my opinion, there are far too many definitive statements on this thread, about something that seems far mroe subjective than many imply

[JK]

@ Vinny

According to the TD, no one announced the bet size and the villain did not say 'call', he just dropped 1500 in and the hero immediately flipped his cards over.

Villain claimed it was a genuine mistake and he would never have called 6000.

The TD's view was that both parties should take some responsibility.

Hero should not open his hand until he is sure the bet has been called. As it was there was no verbal call declaration and not enough money had been put in to the pot.

Completely agree with Tighty here, which is why I haven't given an opinion, which is unusual for me on these ruling threads XD

[celtic]

@ Vinny

According to the TD, no one announced the bet size and the villain did not say 'call', he just dropped 1500 in and the hero immediately flipped his cards over.

Villain claimed it was a genuine mistake and he would never have called 6000.

The TD's view was that both parties should take some responsibility.

Hero should not open his hand until he is sure the bet has been called. As it was there was no verbal call declaration and not enough money had been put in to the pot.

Completely agree with Tighty here, which is why I haven't given an opinion, which is unusual for me on these ruling threads XD

Back @ Jk, vinodh was at the table and said the guy said call. We could go on all night 

[JK]

@ Vinny

According to the TD, no one announced the bet size and the villain did not say 'call', he just dropped 1500 in and the hero immediately flipped his cards over.

Villain claimed it was a genuine mistake and he would never have called 6000.

The TD's view was that both parties should take some responsibility.

Hero should not open his hand until he is sure the bet has been called. As it was there was no verbal call declaration and not enough money had been put in to the pot.

Completely agree with Tighty here, which is why I haven't given an opinion, which is unusual for me on these ruling threads XD

Back @ Jk, vinodh was at the table and said the guy said call. We could go on all night 

Whichever is correct, the TD made the ruling based on villain not stating Call.

I understand where you're coming from though.

[MANTIS01]

These days in all walks of life nobody seems to want to take responsibility for their own mistakes. Villain might have made a genuine mistake but he should absorb the consequences of his mistake. It seems in this example hero is being asked to absorb the loss of more chips than villain because villain made a mistake. Calling the TD at all is kinda embarrassing and villain should just flick in the total bet whilst muttering to himself.