PLO 6 cards, any1 flat here with nuts on the turn

[chnren]

Full Tilt Poker Game #33109861608: Table Skyline (6 max) - PL 6 Card Omaha Hi - $2/$4 - 04:54:12 WET - 2013/08/13 [23:54:12 ET - 2013/08/12]
Seat 1: looneyloo ($879.80)
Seat 2: annabelle1982 ($1,234.35)
Seat 3: brasher ($1,442.90)
Seat 4: Poisson1123 ($615)
Seat 5: fishycall ($407)
Seat 6: hero($1,150.20)
annabelle1982 posts the small blind of $2
brasher posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [ ]
Poisson1123 folds
fishycall folds
hero raises to $12
looneyloo has 15 seconds left to act
looneyloo calls $12
annabelle1982 folds
brasher raises to $50
hero calls $38
looneyloo has 15 seconds left to act
looneyloo calls $38
*** FLOP *** [ ] (Total Pot: $152, 3 Players)
brasher bets $152
hero has 15 seconds left to act
hero calls $152
looneyloo has 15 seconds left to act
looneyloo folds
*** TURN *** [ ] [] (Total Pot: $456, 2 Players)
brasher bets $456
hero raises to $948.20, and is all in
brasher calls $492.20
hero shows [ ]
brasher shows [ ]
*** RIVER *** [ ] [] (Total Pot: $2,352.40, 2 Players, 1 All-In)
hero shows three of a kind, Queens
brasher shows a straight, Queen high
brasher wins the pot ($2,349.40) with a straight, Queen high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2,352.40 | Rake $3
Board: [ ]
Seat 1: looneyloo (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: annabelle1982 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: brasher (big blind) showed [ ] and won ($2,349.40) with a straight, Queen high
Seat 4: Poisson1123 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: fishycall didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: hero showed [ ] and lost with three of a kind, Queens

[pleno1]

50p at the door, welcome to blonde sir.

[Doobs]

50p at the door, welcome to blonde sir.

This is a beat?  I just assumed it was a look at the size of my flips brag.

[SuuPRlim]

Fold pre-flop for sure.

As for post-flop I think you're better off just potting the flop, when you get it in you get it in very shaky but given there are hardly ANY good turn cards for you, basically only 3's  4's 2's and 9's and both your back door FD's are pretty much worthless so basically you're jamming the flop purely to protect your equity against the other player in the pot (he might call with some 2p+ straight draw hand he'l fold to lots of action) the c-better is hardly ever fold once he pots and he always has something good but hopefully you've caught him spewing a bit and you can get it in ok(ish).

I actually think folding the flop is better than calling, as insane as that sounds.

Flatting the turn as played would be insane. This isn't actually a bad beat in PLO it's a big mistake pre-flop and when you play these terrible hands you always get crushed. His play is pretty ropey pre-flop as well.

[Ironside]

Fold pre-flop for sure.

+1000 your hand looks pretty but its anything but in omaha you want all the cards working together not just groups of them imho

[SuuPRlim]

Fold pre-flop for sure.

+1000 your hand looks pretty but its anything but in omaha you want all the cards working together not just groups of them imho

PLO, is essentially a game about FOLDS. WE make so much money when people fold (especially in PLO) because people always have some decent equity against us (even if they don't realise) so we wanna play hands that are going to allow us to put the most money in aggressively post-flop. These hands are typically going to be those that flop/turn the BIGGEST draws, so we're going to be able to semi-bluff extremely profitably. With 4 cards all rundowns are good for these but in 6card PLO we really need BIG cards and nut suits. Obviously we can play a wider range of hands than that, but we really do want a decent amount of connectivity with a nut suit to be playing against 3bets for 10big blinds+ pre-flop - ESPECIALLY when you're over 250bb deep.

WIth 4cards the big pairs have a it more value (QQ74 single for example) because you can flop a queen and are much more likely to be able to get it in in great shape with 100bb's = there value decreases somewhat as it gets 200+ as you wont be able to be all-in quite as easily and you'll often find yourself flopping a SET then playing guessing games are bluff-catching on later streets. In 6card this becomes EVEN MORE  of a problem as you can't even barely bluff catch you going to flop the gin side of your hand and be forced to play it very cautiously.

Basically you have to be VERY careful about paying non-nut hands with deep stacks in 6card PLO - BIG CARDS + NUT SUITS is really what you need and you'll always find yourself in a mess with bad hands.

[Ironside]

When playing dealers choice I always found most money could be made in the double flop omaha 6 or 7 card as people would go mental with a nut straight on one board with nothing on the other side or even queen and king high flushes I felt guilty when people with no understanding in games other than the standard nlhe and 4 card omaha sat in the dealers choice games and left with no chips with in 10-20 minutes

[gouty]

6 card PLO has to be played so fkn tight pre flop to be profitable it is not even enjoyable. I gave it up over year ago due to boredom.

The pre flop action and flop donk have made stacks shallower and its all gonna end up in there at some point anyway. The other guy is a complete nut job by the look of it so remember his name and play with him lots would be my advice if you must play this game.

Good luck.

[77dave]

welcome to blonde chnren, please post more hands.

[77dave]

oh and muck pre

[TightEnd]

welcome to blonde chnren, please post more hands.

you'd like some more notes on how Chnren plays, Jim? ;-)

[77dave]

trust me i have a long and expensive hand history from him.

[tikay]

Ha, you & me too.

He rarely seems to lose when I play him. There's a thing.....

I certainly got the impression when he plays "Live" that he is a winning player, & I've known him for many a year.

Nice lad, too.  

[SuuPRlim]

Sorry if I seemed overly critical btw! I know most people on here in some social capacity so they know me, just read my post back and if you've never me then it could defo have come across a bit preachy!

[tikay]

Sorry if I seemed overly critical btw! I know most people on here in some social capacity so they know me, just read my post back and if you've never me then it could defo have come across a bit preachy!

It's not a prob Dave.

It does alter perspective when we know the guy who features in a PHA thread.

Your advice was spot on, I enjoyed reading it, but "chnren" is anything but a novice, & perfectly competent generally. Deffo a winning player, too. Quite what was going off here, in this hand, I have no idea though.

In life, there are always some things which are hard to explain.