6 PLO, did he have str8 flush???

[chnren]

Two tables hu with him, he told me he is new to the 6 cards game, no much read on him, played him first time, only had been showed down few standard hands, here is what happened.

Full Tilt Poker Game #33077250482: Table Roll 3D6 (heads up) - PL 6 Card Omaha Hi - $5/$10 - 20:48:29 ET - 2013/08/05
Seat 1: super_grover765 ($2,887)
Seat 2: hero ($2,689.50)
super_grover765 posts the small blind of $5
hero posts the big blind of $10
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [ ]
super_grover765 raises to $30
hero raises to $90
super_grover765 calls $60
*** FLOP *** [ ] (Total Pot: $180, 2 Players)
hero has 15 seconds left to act
hero bets $110
super_grover765 calls $110
*** TURN *** [ ] [] (Total Pot: $400, 2 Players)
hero checks
super_grover765 checks
*** RIVER *** [ ] [] (Total Pot: $400, 2 Players)
hero bets $200
super_grover765 has 15 seconds left to act
super_grover765 raises to $985
hero has 15 seconds left to act
hero has requested TIME
hero folds
Uncalled bet of $785 returned to super_grover765
super_grover765 mucks
super_grover765 wins the pot ($799.50)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $800 | Rake $0.50
Board: [ ]
Seat 1: super_grover765 (small blind) collected ($799.50), mucked
Seat 2: hero (big blind) folded on the River

[Ironside]

Never ever folding this in a hu game if he has it he has it

[chnren]

Never ever folding this in a hu game if he has it he has it

thanks ironside, the reason i fold here is because i don't think he gonna bluff with str8 flush bolckers ,( he called my cbet on that flop, more likely had draws ,5d,7d,9d all these are resasonable cards in his hands), i consider myself is sick bluffer, but TBO, i have never bluffed with str8 flush blockers(maybe i am not good enough to do that), cos i know a lot players would call with their A "nut" flush. However, i like the point you made that is hu game, this makes huge different though.

[SuuPRlim]

I'd defo fold unless he is very bad, or batshit nutso.

[rfgqqabc]

Unless he isnt new to the game I doubt he is bluffing straight flush blockers too. I wouldnt take what he says as gospel but it feels like a more than fair fold.

[GreekStein]

im defo folding this

[pleno1]

would he not usually bet an open ended straight flush draw ott?

[GreekStein]

would he not usually bet an open ended straight flush draw ott?

no

if he has 107dd in his hand he wouldn't and 57dd looks way better than it is but in either case you'd wanna pot control because you have so few nut outs

[pleno1]

kk cool

thought if he had stuff like 75dd he will have other stuff with it, so wraps, pairs, etc, double fds etc etc

[SuuPRlim]

even if had 7x he'd very likely check.

[Ironside]

Wow, this is HU game I know with more players I would be more cautious but in HU I think he is bluffing here alot with hands like kt k7 qt q7 flushes narrowing him down to just 2 hands is a bit tight imho in 6 card plo its about nut hands but HU  its hard to fold what in effect is 2nd nut on this board if he has it he has it so wont be raising but hard for me nit to call

[Steve86]

Pretty sure I am folding here... I have tried straight flush blocker bluffs twice and it worked once.. I just don't think someone new to the game who doesn't have any history with you would make this play. Chnren if I made this play against you I'm pretty sure you would call me off because you have history with me. It's very player dependant but I would never make this play against an unknown.

[chnren]

most players here would agree to fold then, sometimes it is hard to fold a single raise only when you are actually in the hand, i made this kinds of mistake before, actually many times, and when i reviewed my play, then i said to myself WTF i am calling here.

[SuuPRlim]

Wow, this is HU game I know with more players I would be more cautious but in HU I think he is bluffing here alot with hands like kt k7 qt q7 flushes narrowing him down to just 2 hands is a bit tight imho in 6 card plo its about nut hands but HU  its hard to fold what in effect is 2nd nut on this board if he has it he has it so wont be raising but hard for me nit to call

no-body raises the Q high flush for value on the river, and we have the key card he'd need to be bluffing, if he's buffing with a SF blocker then it has to be the (no good him bluffing with the or the ) so we have to assume he has the in his hand - if he has the K of diamonds with it he'd prolly just call this bet, so needs to be a hand, with the that can't call and DOESN'T have the or the with it. Also he need to have the naked , and decide to bluff with it, it's a lot less obvious a bluff than the NF blocker bluff.

There is, imo no other bluffs he can be making other than with the in his hand and given the criteria for holding that card and how it affects the other cards he's likely to have I just can't give him anywhere near enough bluffs to make this a call.

[Honeybadger]

Yep definite fold. Good analysis of the reasons why by Lil'Dave. Weirdly enough, I'd rather call with the King flush here than with the nut flush. Not saying it would be a good call with the King flush of course - I think we should allow our opponents to always succeed with their bare Ace bluffs in 6 card because they have so few combos of these and thus they are going to be too value heavy even if they always bluff whenever they have a bare Ace. But it would perhaps be less bad calling with the king flush than with the nut flush.